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Maybe the demons could have a sort of tunnel system around adamantium deposits, leading deeper into the earth. That way you get a few little deposits for free, then uncover one of their tunnels. You can try to block up the tunnel again (with rewalling), but to get more addy you have to fight your way deeper into the tunnel system. This way the demons have kind of their own biome, still seperate from the chasm, but they have their own society and feed off the adamantium or something. The walls wouldn't be solid adamantium, just tunnels connecting different veins, all leading to the big demon in the central "demonhome" or whatever. This would make for an interesting war over resources deep under the mountains.

Not all mountains would have enough adamantium to attract the big guy, of course. Some would just have small tunnel systems, or maybe only a couple demons.

Oh, and if you hear about "In 4, Suchandsuch was imprisoned deep within Craggypeak," or "Lonelymountain lies to the west. Demons call it their home," it could tip you off to where adamantium lay.

[ August 30, 2007: Message edited by: Turgid Bolk ]

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Originally posted by Nil Eyeglazed:
<STRONG>So it shoves your haulers into the barracks? Tough, man. Learn a trade.</STRONG>

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Uh, I'm not an economics major, but if that was the case, wouldn't everyone learn a trade? Would hauling jobs ever get done? I assume there's some system that increases the pay for jobs the longer they sit? Could you increase the pay or priority of a job directly (e.g. Someone move this food NOW)?

Also, it seems like you could doom a dwarf to poverty by never enabling a skill for him besides "stone hauling," even if your fortress relied on his work. Or would you take skill assignment out of the player's hands, and have dwarves do whatever tasks suit them (based on prefs, personality, and how badly they need the cash)?

In any case, it all looks very cool and well thought-out. I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of this get implemented. Welcome to the forums!

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Originally posted by Tamren:
<STRONG>The current system seems to use the value of the material itself, but that can lead to problems as well. Say you were paying for a solid platinum statue. In order for you to pay the artist for the material used you would have to give him the statues weight in platinum coins! And then add even more for his effort and time.</STRONG>

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Well, in adventure mode the coins pretty much are just tokens, as they have no value outside the particular civ, but I suppose they still need the metal to make a proper coin.

You wouldn't have to pay the artist all that platinum, cause it's not his platinum raw materials. The platinum he used belongs to the you (i.e. the government). You only commissioned him to sculpt it. Therefore, you pay him the appropriate sum for his services, based on his skill or the quality of the statue. You provided the raw material so he gets no extra pay for that.

Unless you meant some individual was buying the statue, like at a shop...but in that case the artist could afford the material, so some other dwarf can probably afford the statue, and also probably has a concentrated form of wealth like gold bars or gems. If they had banks, he could just pay with a "check" or something. The artist probably wouldn't make the statue unless someone could afford it and requested it specifically, or he just really wanted a platinum statue for himself. (By the way, this leads to the question of whether a dwarf could "build" his statue somewhere, or if you would have to place it for him. Same for a new bed, or armor stand, etc.)

I would think all raw materials belong to the government by default (who commissioned the digging/killing of the animal). I suppose the miner's guild could own whatever they dig up, but they would have to buy the rights to the land and minerals they intend to dig. That would be an interesting experiment, because then the whole fort could basically run itself, the miner's guild would dig for ore and sell it to the smelters, who would refine it and sell it to the metalworkers, etc. etc. Dunno how that would work for other materials like bone and skin...the military is under your control, so anything they kill is yours, but what about stuff the hunters kill? Would trappers own the animals they catch? Woodcutters selling their wood? If food worked the same way, you'd want a balanced way for kitchens to pay farmers the for crops, making sure that demand is met...on second thought, that all seems way too complicated. Viva la communisme!

Maybe we should rename the game "Fortress Economics" (Forconomics?)

[ September 07, 2007: Message edited by: Turgid Bolk ]

No offence meant, just my 2 cents.

For instance, right now the group is working on rebuilding an amazing settlement (originally made by SA goons some time back). Personally I'm working on healing, gathering, farming, and metalsmithing skills, while others are working on whatever they like and needs doing. Some are into cooking, some weaponsmithing and fighting, some mining and carpentry. Then there's personal challenges you can set for yourself, like Sappho who is determined to be the first to the peak of the tallest mountain in the land. Eventually we may move on and build our own site, maybe at the top of that mountain! Of course you may choose to go it alone, too, which makes it more challenging to complete big projects, but potentially more satisfying if you manage it.

Basically it's very fun and rewarding to make and do things that help you and the group. Every "quest" is dictated by the actual needs of the group, or is something that helps you reach your goals, so everything you do is meaningful. Instead of being told "Go bring me 10 plump helmets" by some stranger, you *want* to go find 10 plump helmets so you and your friends can use them. It's fun (and free)!

It's only a size 5 homestead at the moment, with me as the sole citizen. This just prevents people from claiming the town. Once (or if) we make some good money we can upgrade it to an actual village, and all become citizens. Good times!