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General Discussion / Re: American Election Megathread
« on: July 18, 2012, 10:35:23 am »
Quote from: Descan on July 18, 2012, 10:16:18 am
There's a bit of a difference between smoking pot in the past, and currently having fraudulent finances, almost-no taxes, and refusing to publish your tax record, while you're trying to become the president of a nation that is in financial straits!

This is true. But if he hasn't released his tax records, how do you know he pays almost no taxes? I would certainly like him to release his records but what he pays in taxes is not going to make or break the vote for me. The other issues will.

Oh and as far as tax rates goes, while I don't think it's fair that some of the wealthy do not pay as much in taxes, it isn't fair for them to pay more, either. I honestly never understand why a flat tax rate across all classes is considered a bad idea.

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General Discussion / Re: American Election Megathread
« on: July 18, 2012, 09:53:19 am »
Quote from: Mictlantecuhtli on July 18, 2012, 09:26:11 am
Arguing over word choice (of a very well made arguement otherwise) while the other candidate still tiptoes around his fraudulent finances and near-zero taxes?

I guess there's a bit of a gap in priority for some voters.

I believe that to be a personal issue rather than a political one. Obama smoked pot when he was younger, but you don't seem to care about that. *shrugs*

I have a plethora of issues with both Obama and Romney, but I think both of them have some good ideas as well. Unfortunately, mixing ideas and making compromises seems to be impossible.

I guess the best way to put my current election view is this: I dislike both candidates, but I dislike Romney less. That's just how I feel about it.

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General Discussion / Re: American Election Megathread
« on: July 18, 2012, 08:36:08 am »
Quote from: Frumple on July 18, 2012, 08:27:05 am
Reading comprehension. The "that" in that sentence referred to the roads. Not the business. In context, it's fine. It's only when you strip the sentence of context and attempt to cherry-pick the sentence into meaning something else entirely that it's a "terribly poor choice of words." The context is kinda' important. He's specifically saying "you had help along the way" in that speech. It only looks different when you tear out a specific sentence and misconstrue its meaning due to th'whole lacking of context thing.

Oh believe me, it has nothing to do with the context. I read the whole section (6+ paragraphs) of his speech and I still thought that he meant something different than what you say he did. And for reading comprehension, well, what else would the "that" refer to but business? You can't have 1 subject (highways), then bring up a 2nd subject (a business), then use "that" and expect people to know it refers to the first subject. Perhaps I am in the minority in interpreting it in the way that I did. I'm not trying to deceive anyone, that's just how I interpreted it by myself. I still think it's a poor choice of words.


But I redact my previous statements. Assuming that he meant what you say he did, his statement makes sense.

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General Discussion / Re: American Election Megathread
« on: July 18, 2012, 08:18:46 am »
Quote from: Leafsnail on July 18, 2012, 08:06:07 am
I have no idea how you gleaned that from a quote in which Obama states a fact (that the internet was created by government research).

The idea that was prevalent in that section of his speech (not just the one sentence I quoted) would support the claim that because the government invented the internet, it is now responsible for the profits made off of the internet. Which I suppose it partly is, yes. But of course the internet has far exceeded anything that the government (or anyone, really) thought it would be. The internet now is quite a different beast than the internet that was first invented. But those changes did not come "from above". Private enterprise has been responsible for what the internet is today, and they are responsible for the profits made on the internet today.


Quote from: mainiac on July 18, 2012, 08:07:24 am
Quote from: Obama
The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.

Now mind showing me where Obama says that business owners don't deserve credit for the decisions they make, something that clearly you and Obama know isn't true?

Well, I would go back to that quote again- "If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen."

Perhaps I've gone off on a tangent with my argument. Perhaps Obama meant something different than what he said. But take a look at what he said. There's a big difference between him saying "you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen" and him saying "you didn't build that by yourself. You had help along the way". Those two statements have fundamentally different meanings. I don't care what he said in the rest of his speech, why would he say this? Why not say the latter? Maybe he meant the latter. But it was a terribly poor choice of words for him to choose.

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General Discussion / Re: American Election Megathread
« on: July 18, 2012, 08:04:18 am »
Quote from: mainiac on July 18, 2012, 07:57:37 am
Well gee, that's funny because just one post ago you said:
Quote from: The Mechanical Man on July 18, 2012, 07:10:45 am
His early comments made some sense- "If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.  There was a great teacher somewhere in your life.  Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive.  Somebody invested in roads and bridges". I can agree with that.

That's a complete difference, though. If I were a private business owner, yes, the government would be responsible for the highways that I might ship my goods on. But Obama makes it out as if that means the government was responsible for my profits, my hiring of employees, etc. It's quite a big difference in terms of influence.

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General Discussion / Re: American Election Megathread
« on: July 18, 2012, 07:52:32 am »
But within that, again you see- "The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet."


He's advocating that a business' success be shared, when in reality it shouldn't. He believes that the government is responsible for business success besides just the individuals running it, when in reality it isn't.

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General Discussion / Re: American Election Megathread
« on: July 18, 2012, 07:10:45 am »
"If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen." - Obama

And this is why I don't support Obama.

His early comments made some sense- "If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.  There was a great teacher somewhere in your life.  Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive.  Somebody invested in roads and bridges". I can agree with that.

But suddenly because of this, business owners have absolutely no credit in the success of their business? It suddenly has nothing to do with hard work and ambition? So much for the American dream...

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Other Games / Re: Steam Sales
« on: July 16, 2012, 06:38:50 am »
Quote from: BuriBuriZaemon on July 16, 2012, 03:42:12 am
I found a reason to not buy Fallout NV: You cannot play after ending.

Wallet wins! Just have to do this with every game not on my to-buy list.

The repercussions each different ending has would be far too difficult to put into the game. And as said, you can just wait and do the last mission whenever you want. 

I have Fallout NV for the Xbox 360 and I think it's a fantastic game.

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Other Games / Re: Day Z - A Zombie mod for Arma 2
« on: July 14, 2012, 01:25:05 pm »
We're just having a discussion. I don't see any flames. But I do agree it's gone on long enough, so this will be my last post on this particular issue.

Quote from: fenrif on July 14, 2012, 11:05:36 am
And Mechanical Man, do you see what I mean with the doublespeak with that quote? "What you say matters... But I don't care what anyone says this is mine and mine alone." I dunno, just strikes me as funny.

Yeah he sent the wrong code out, that was kind of my point. That is a perfectly valid thing to have an opinion about, posetive or negative. It's also worth pointing out he didn't say "Oh I sent the wrong code out, so what? It's an alpha so noone's allowed to care." He apologised and said it wouldn't happen again. I mean your example of what you're arguing against is, as far as I can see, someone complaining about this exact situation. Which Rocket has said wasn't OK, and shouldn't have happened. How is that not something valid to be upset about?

I thought he was saying "I get inspiration from you guys, but it is ultimately still my decision whether something in the mod is changed/added or not". I don't see anything particularly wrong with that. But interpret his words in any way you wish. Make what you will of them.

About the 1.7.2.2 quote, I think both of us misunderstood each other. When you brought it up, I thought you were using that as an example of how Rocket just throws out buggy code and doesn't bother testing it. As you said just before you brought it up:

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There's a difference between buggy and unfinished, and just untested broken stuff pushed out as an update which then forces everyone to rollback and makes getting the game running a huge pile of stress for everyone.

I responded to reply that 1.7.2.2 wasn't "untested broken stuff" but that it didn't work as a result of simply having the incorrect files. It didn't have anything to do with Rocket not testing his code. Had he sent the correct files, this incident would not have occurred. It had nothing to do with the quality of the code. That's all I'm saying.

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Other Games / Re: Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim
« on: July 14, 2012, 08:58:07 am »
Guys, stop it. You're making me want to play Morrowind again.  ;D

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Other Games / Re: Day Z - A Zombie mod for Arma 2
« on: July 14, 2012, 08:51:35 am »
Quote from: fenrif on July 14, 2012, 08:46:06 am
"[11:49:37 AM] Rocket Hall: so here is the situation
sickboy has loaded 1.7.2.2 while he was at the airport
but 1.7.2.2 is completely fucked, zombies don't agro etc....
so now we need to roll it back, but we cant
in 1.7.2.2 zombies don't agro and people couldnt load "

From the SA thread on DayZ, supposedly taken from and IRC chat? I don't find this too hard to believe.

First, may I direct everyone to this post:

http://dayzmod.com/forum/index.php?/topic/12351-rockets-facts-of-life/

Specifically:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Now about that 1.7.2.2 error, I recall him saying that he accidently sent the wrong code or something, and by the time he realized it he couldn't get it fixed. So then he had 1.7.2.3 released quickly. I'm working on finding the specific post.

EDIT: Here we are...

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The fault of 1.7.2.2 was noone else but mine. I provided Sickboy the incorrect files. He was at the airport and he did me a favor by putting the files out, I realized too late there was an issue and then there was a delay pulling the files.

So Six didn't hurt anyone, it was my fault. I'm really sorry about that, it was one of those silly little mistakes that shouldnt happen but does.

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Other Games / Re: Day Z - A Zombie mod for Arma 2
« on: July 14, 2012, 08:39:46 am »
Fenrif, listen:


Quote from: DrPoo on July 13, 2012, 04:20:26 pm
Fucking fuck. new update broke game totally, no servers are joinable and the few that does makes me stuck on loading screen. Fuck this shit im not playing anymore...

Was such an awesome game but the devs are retards for releasing unfinished versions.

All I'm arguing about is this (no offense intended to you, DrPoo). All I'm saying is that it is not fair to say something like this when this is an alpha mod. Every version, naturally, is buggy and unfinished. Expecting otherwise is not right. You have the right to complain about bugs as much as you want, but at the same time you should be expecting them and shouldn't be surprised when they appear. There's no need to get angry and upset over a bug. Thinking that you will be able to keep your character through every single update is stupid. You should expect to lose items, to lose progress, to lose your character to some strange bug. That's the risk that you take when you decide to play a mod in it's alpha stage.


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This is the problem I'm having here, the game is persistant untill someone says "but my entire character was wiped because someone on the server put on a ghillie suit and everyones inventories were wiped. Then all of a sudden it's an experimental alpha and you can't expect persistance from that."

Well, it's supposed to be persistent. That's the end goal, at least. Bugs might come up that prevent that persistence. Everyone should be ready to have their inventories wiped at some point. I think people are going into this with the wrong expectation- that is, the expectation that things will work 100%. Of course things won't. And people have a right to complain about that, but that doesn't mean I agree with that. It'll get fixed eventually, that's all I can say and therefore I see no reason to complain further.

People just don't go about things in a smart manner. If a person read the update threads, they'd be able to see people say "X is broken" probably a dozen times. It's their decision then whether or not they will download the update and possibly risk running into this bug. In the meantime, it doesn't matter if 50 more people say that "X is broken" if Rocket already knows that. They'll just have to wait for him to fix it and there's really nothing else to do. In this way, I don't see any point in complaining more when it will effectively do nothing.


EDIT: By the way, I believe this is the post about debug forest killing:

http://dayzmod.com/forum/index.php?/topic/6931-notice-killing-in-debug-forest/page__hl__%2Bdebug+%2Bforest

"Using this exploit will earn you a min. of a one week ban, once your week ban is lifted and you continue to do this, a more permanent ban will be put in place."

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Other Games / Re: Day Z - A Zombie mod for Arma 2
« on: July 14, 2012, 06:58:58 am »
Quote from: fenrif on July 13, 2012, 07:13:39 pm
If you're not playing a game to enjoy it then I don't know what the..?!

I mean it's cool that it's an alpha, but the tradeoff for people testing his game for him, and the huge popularity and success it's brought him is that people aren't doing all this out of the goodness of their hearts to make sure his game is bug free. It's because they want to play a fun zombie game. They aren't going and buying arma2 combined ops because they have some secret desire to play buggy unfinished stuff, it's because so many others have said "hey this game is really cool right now, come play it!"

I'm not trying to directly pick at you, but I see this arguement a lot and it's a bit disenguous to suggest that the only reason we're allowed to play this game/ should want to play this game, is out of some selfless charitable free software tester desire. That's not to mention that if it was really about fixing all the bugs, then shouldn't that be the focus, and not adding in new gamebreaking-bug riddled gameplay mechanics handfulls at a time?

It's the same sentiment people use when an MMO gives you beta access if you purchase the game: "Oh you're supposed to be beta testing so you can't get mad about anything, they're doing you a favour letting you play it so be gratefull!" No. It's a two way street and both parties (dev and player) get something out of it. DayZ is a game, and people can get upset about broken things in the game however or whyever they chose, just like with any other game.

Don't get me wrong, there's nothing stopping people from playing the mod out of enjoyment. It's just that that isn't the actual goal, from a development point of view. This could easily have been a closed alpha instead with only a select group of people testing the game, and then the rest of us would all be sitting around saying "wow I can't wait to play that, looks good". The game isn't available to the public so that they can enjoy it, is what I'm saying. It's so that bugs can be found quickly and easily because thousands of people are testing it rather than a few. And I'm not saying that you should still play when you're not enjoying it, because that's a waste. But I am saying it isn't fair to complain that it's buggy and unfinished, because you should have known better when you downloaded an alpha mod. You shouldn't get mad when some weird bug pops up and removes your weapon. You say "oh, that's a bug, I'll go report it" and then you're on your way. You lost your weapon, big deal. I simply don't like how people play this alpha, expect it to run and feel like a finished and polished game, and then complain when it turns out it isn't.

As far as the additional content in patches goes: Alpha is both adding content and fixing bugs. Beta is doing some final tweaking of content but is mostly about fixing remaining bugs. So the developers are doing nothing wrong here by throwing in additional content with bug fixes, even if that content ends up breaking stuff. I for one value any extra content. The content flow stops when it goes to the beta phase, usually.

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Other Games / Re: Day Z - A Zombie mod for Arma 2
« on: July 13, 2012, 07:01:47 pm »
Quote from: DrPoo on July 13, 2012, 05:52:01 pm
Hunting bugs is impossible when you cant even get into the gameplay, its like asking someone to test drive a car when it has no wheels or fuel, or a steering wheel for that sake.

That's a bug itself. If you can't play, there's obviously something wrong that needs to be fixed. Could you play previous versions like 1.7.1.5?



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Other Games / Re: Day Z - A Zombie mod for Arma 2
« on: July 13, 2012, 04:24:47 pm »
Quote from: DrPoo on July 13, 2012, 04:20:26 pm
Was such an awesome game but the devs are retards for releasing unfinished versions.

I actually hate that I'm turning into this guy, but...

It's not a game, it's a MOD. A free mod. And it's in the alpha stage. That means every version is an unfinished version. By downloading the mod, I am an alpha tester. I'm not supposed to be playing the game to enjoy it (although I do, and many others do) I'm supposed to be testing it. Then I report bugs I encounter or things that need re-balancing. And then the next update is released.

I'm not sure what you would call a "finished" version anyways... the final standalone game?


EDIT: If you're talking about version 1.7.2.3, it seems like none of the servers are running it. They're all on 1.7.2. Maybe there was a problem with the patch or something... but either way it's impossible to actually play 1.7.2.3 since you can't get on a server that uses it. If you're talking about 1.7.2.... *shrugs* it works okay for me.

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