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I think it's popular to like Morrowind, but I don't think everyone says it's the best just to jump on the bandwagon. I really do think it is the best in the series, and a lot of people seem to agree with that sentiment.

I voted Morrowind.

First off, let me say I played Oblivion first, then Morrowind, then Daggerfall, then Skyrim.

Oblivion is a lot of fun as a game, but it has some very bad mechanics (level scaling for example) at the same time. Also copy+paste dungeons. It being my first foray into the series, I still love it despite it's shortcomings. One thing I don't like so much looking back is how "mainstream fantasy" Oblivion went- you've got Minotaurs, imps, mithril armor, etc.

Morrowind is the best one, in my opinion. The locations and enemies were unique, but there were still things you could relate with history (the Empire's obvious Roman influences for example). I liked the diversity of skills and how the weapons skills were broken up into several different things (rather than just Blade and Blunt for example). The weapon variety was also good, with spears, throwing knives and stars, darts, crossbows, katanas, tantos, sabres, etc. I also like the non-leveled loot, and the rarity of high-level loot like Daedric (I recall there is only one full set you can get in the game). The unique items were also fun to collect and almost always had unique models. In Oblivion you had forts, caves, and Akaviri ruins; in Morrowind you had more mysterious and exciting locations like Dwemer ruins and Daedric temples.

Daggerfall is okay, I think. I honestly don't understand why people love it so much. I guess the thing that gets me is that everything is just same-y as a result of most of the content being randomly generated. All the cities look the same, all the people look the same, all the dungeons look the same, etc. A big part of The Elder Scrolls was exploration for me, and interesting exploration is impossible with the boring and drab landscape in Daggerfall. It's almost entirely flat and devoid of content. The only variety came from reskins. All the quests I did involved "go kill this monster in a house" or "go kill this monster in a dungeon". And then the game ultimately just turned into a dungeon crawl with me just going to towns in between to sell loot. For me, it was repetitive and boring after maybe 20 hours of gameplay. I did like the variety of skills, however.

I think Skyrim is good, but I'm disappointed with where they've taken some of the mechanics. I was excited for Fallout-style perks, but got what I think is a pretty crappy system instead. There are barely any skills now as well. I like the carriage fast travel system, but don't like how you can't travel via boat like in Morrowind. I would have preferred mostly non-scaling stuff like Morrowind, but the scaling now is at least better than Oblivion. Magic is generally a disappointment as far as variety goes, but the spells that are in the game do look nice. There are some interesting enemies, but mostly I find I'm just fighting bandits, undead, or Falmer. Dragons were definitely a fun addition, and I think they were done well, but at the same time it can get repetitive. I played this much less than Oblivion or Morrowind, and I think it's because there aren't as many roleplaying opportunities as in previous games. I guess overall I would say it is a good game by itself, but doesn't compare well to Morrowind. I do like how the Empire is more Roman-like again, like it was in Morrowind.

ugh im confused nothisn working now anymore...i downloaded the BEta Patch and 1.72 and now Aram refuses to work at all...well i deinstalled all both of them and reinstall it maybe the whole thing works on a clean slate...

Don't reinstall the whole game. Try working through the problem first.


First, what do you mean by "Arma refuses to work at all"? Does this mean you can't get the game to run? Or can you get onto the main menu but not load any missions?

The problem is that he should do one change at a time, and see how that works, rather than releasing an update that will break several different aspects of the game, then do a handfull of hotfixes, each with a new feature or two thrown in for good measure which will mess something else up.

I've seemed to notice that as well. Rocket will just throw in stuff and it'll seem to break other things. And he can never just change one variable in zombie behavior. Maybe he'll reduce hearing, but then he'll increase their line of sight. That's not how you perform an experiment; you change one variable at a time and see how it affects results. You don't just change three because then when there is a problem it's harder to figure out which variable is causing it.

Yeah tuckered out on dayz, at least playing alone without buddys, just logging in sometimes to shot some russians, but it ain't the same now that i have full gear and no worry in the world.

When I don't care about anything anymore, I just start running around killing as many zombies as possible. It can actually be a lot of fun if you just go into a town shooting.

The mod is pretty rough, yeah, in terms of both gameplay and polish. There are still a lot of bugs, and zombie pathfinding can be messed up.


Guns are pretty rare in most houses. In the countryside, barns have the best chance of spawning a decent weapon. Hunting stands can have good stuff, too. Most buildings are not enterable, but after hours of gameplay I can identify at a distance which ones I can and can't go into.

This list is a bit outdated, but it has some useful item spawn info and pictures of enterable buildings:
http://picacid.com/arma2/loot_en.html

There seems to be some sort of conflict between the ArmA II beta patch 94444 and DayZ 1.7.2, or the DayZ update is bugged somehow. When running the DayZ mod I was unable to play any single player missions except for a few, and when I tried to play those few basically all the vehicles and weapons were not spawning. Disabling DayZ seems to have fixed these problems, as now everything is spawning correctly and missions are loading properly.

My advise (which is really true for every single DayZ update, I should have learned my lesson by now) is to just wait for some hotfixes to come out in the following days.

Nice! I'll check it out and see how broken stuff is. I don't mind it, though.

Here's a Q&A session with Rocket at Rezzed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAXqwewejwU&feature=plcp

There isn't really that much new information about future updates, but it seems Rocket is definitely determined to turn Day Z into a standalone game. But even he doesn't know when that will happen.