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Mafia / Re: Vengeful Mafia 11: Day 2 - Not Day 1! [3/5]
« on: March 02, 2016, 10:52:53 am »
I was hoping for a bit more than that, but I guess I'll push on.
I'm leaning on OSG being roo's scumbuddy, for several reasons. The separatism is convenient, because scum could only hope for a weak townsperson to lay upon. roo expedited the process, gave OSG a nice bus for townie cred and jumped the bandwagon risking his own vengekill.
Things could have gone two ways. Think of it like this:
  • The likeliest vengekill for this mislynch was me. If I was killed, the game would have ended. Scum know this to be true.
  • TempAcc's other clear target was roo, who he already had suspected for most of the day and especially after roo's vote. This is the one likely option that lets town live another day.
It makes sense to consider that OSG's vote against roo was tactical. It's a cunning play from scum, and he totally expected to be safe coming into D2. The alternative is Elephant Parade, who has been pretty straightforward all game, which makes for very uninspired scumplay.

Also, I keep tripping over this comment from roo looking back over the game:
Also he agreed to the fake voting thing so we know he intended to vote you temp.
roo was subtly trying to egg a bit of suspicion at Elephant Parade here, when EP faux-voted TempAcc right after we instated it. This stuck out to me when he said it, and it does so greatly now that he's confirmed scum.

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Mafia / Re: Vengeful Mafia 11: Day 2 - Not Day 1! [3/5]
« on: March 01, 2016, 09:52:23 am »
If you haven't been reading my posts, you would have missed where I said that I thought roo and Elephant Parade were our scumteam if the TempAcc thing didn't pan out. TempAcc was clearly scummy and I was certain he was scum moreso than roo, who seemed to be playing a normal game by his standards. Hell, you and I both thought roo was town earlier in the day, and your vote on him was just for bringing us close to a hammer and nothing else. That's not entirely convincing and you know it.

On the subject of Elephant Parade, deduction and observation don't reach a consensus. From his posts, I read him as town, but because there are three of us, and you've actively avoided the mislynch, I can't tell if I've hugely misread Elephant Parade or if there is some huge ruse where you and roo play for your own gain and let each do his own thing.

Also, you forgot that I placed a safeguard against scummy hammers after roo voted and you complained. In theory, if I were scum, it would have been best for roo and I to just let the mislynch happen. I would have been plenty safe since I've been pursuing the TempAcc lead from the beginning, and the hammerer would attract the heat. I wouldn't have faffed about and let everyone gather reads.

While on the subject of faux votes, we never really capitalised on the extra time and let the game stall. TempAcc caved, you didn't pursue roo (or anything for that matter) and we ended up mislynching TempAcc anyways. I don't think it helped.

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Mafia / Re: Vengeful Mafia 11: Day 2 - Not Day 1! [3/5]
« on: February 29, 2016, 07:38:31 am »
Hmm. See, origamiscienceguy, the thing with your vote is that roo bringing the game close to a hammer was your sole reason for voting him. It's not exactly a strong vote, but I'll agree that it was the correct one. Here's the caveat though: if you are scum and this was a slight bus to insure your towniness in the case that roo got vengekilled (which did happen), then congrats on muddying things up for town.


On the other hand, Elephant Parade did play a solid game so far, outside of being on the bandwagon for this mislynch. I'm torn. I'd like to hear from Elephant Parade about what he thinks before pushing on.


As for defending myself, I don't actually have to. You guys can lynch me if you wish, but not before I gather enough for an informed opinion in case I do have to make a vengekill.

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Mafia / Re: Vengeful Mafia 11: Day 2 - Not Day 1! [3/5]
« on: February 26, 2016, 07:04:15 pm »
I don't really think a weekend break is necessary since this will come down to a decision by me. But if you really need to, I'm fine with it.
What do you mean a decision by you? You're not above a lynch.

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Mafia / Re: Vengeful Mafia 11: Day 2 - Not Day 1! [3/5]
« on: February 26, 2016, 12:27:10 pm »
I was half-considering taking another weekend break, actually. Are you both okay with doing another one of these?

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Mafia / Re: Vengeful Mafia 11: Day 2 - Not Day 1! [3/5]
« on: February 26, 2016, 12:14:08 pm »
I was wrong. Moreso, my theory that OSG's waffling was due to trying to be an uninvested godfather was wrong too. I'll have to go over the game again before deciding which among you two are scum, but this day will definitely be much shorter than D1. I'm leaning on Elephant Parade being our last mafioso as per my theory from several posts ago, but nothing is for certain right now.

Also, roo really did overlook how godfathers worked as godfather! That's hilarious.

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Mafia / Re: Vengeful Mafia 11: Day 1 - It Takes Three Thieves [5/5]
« on: February 26, 2016, 09:12:41 am »
Hey TempAcc? I've seen you've been poking around for a while. You need to post your role, and make a vengekill if you have one.

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Mafia / Re: Vengeful Mafia 11: Day 1 - It Takes Three Thieves [5/5]
« on: February 25, 2016, 08:37:24 pm »
Bluh, TempAcc. If you're town, this is poor form. If you're not, then I certainly hope OSG is ready for some serious scrutiny on D2. That docile waffling wasn't proactive at all.

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Mafia / Re: Vengeful Mafia 11: Day 1 - It Takes Three Thieves [5/5]
« on: February 25, 2016, 09:11:22 am »
If you guys want to hang me, then go ahead. I'll shoot someone down with me and then all then all your hilarious theories about me can break into hilarious little pieces and it'll finally become obvious who's actualy scum, and then I can point at people and say ~I told you~
Wrong, try again. You can't just generalise the people voting for you as scummy if you're actually being scummy and people call you out on it. As far as your 'I told you so', you've said nothing. You've spent all of your energy retaliating against me, are throwing blanket statements about everyone's scumminess this side of OSG, and now you're leveraging the small chance that you have a vengekill to spook us off? Will you not pursue anything?

Specially when the most passive player calls me out for being passive :v
You can't just say that while dodging his argument. If all you intend to do now is dodge, we've pretty much reached the end of the line.

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Mafia / Re: Vengeful Mafia 11: Day 1 - It Takes Three Thieves [5/5]
« on: February 25, 2016, 06:19:17 am »
Was the faux vote thing more a pain in the ass than it was worth? I feel like it might have been better if we made some sort of deadline and created pressure that way. Or something.

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Mafia / Re: Vengeful Mafia 11: Day 1 - It Takes Three Thieves [5/5]
« on: February 24, 2016, 09:19:12 am »
TempAcc:
I've become a very convenient target, and me being such has actualy only served to reveal some odd behavior on the part of other players, which, in turn, have backpedalled around a fair bit since and did some really fake questioning of one another to try and pull attention away from themselves + partner in scummyness.
You're going to have to elaborate. Are you saying that not tunnelling you is as damning as tunnelling you? I'll agree that I've pressured you in the beginning at the expense of other gainful activity, but none of my questioning of other players has been fake.

In their efforts, they've managed to convice 1 player that I'm scum, for a reason or another. However, the can't outright snipe me without trying to paint someone else as scum, since this is a vengeful game and they're quite aware that I'm probably going to kill one of them if I get lynched. My opinions haven't changed thus far.
Okay, I'll humour you...mostly so we can flesh out the alternative.
From this I see that you and OSG both share the theory that the entire scumteam are voting for you. Should that be the case, then Elephant Parade has done a damn good job of being in my blind spot up until now, and roo is indeed taking the easy road by falling in step behind me. Since a roo/TempAcc bus would be pretty stupid, that leaves me to believe that our scumteam is either TempAcc/OSG or (if I'm wrong altogether), roo/Elephant Parade.

Elephant Parade, roo: I want you to weigh in, Elephant Parade especially.

Also, roo:
That is so shitty of you. Why are you lying about what temp actually said?
TempAcc did say he was a convenient target. Bolded and underlined here:
Sorry, I got carried away reading an RTD while multitasking :v

Anyway, my defense is basically this: I've made myself (unwillingly) an easy target during the start of the game, which led to me getting targetted and tunneled upon by multiple people for reasons I said were (and still are) tenuous or even trivial, which however haven't been questioned by other two players, with only OSG actualy calling it out. I've become a very convenient target, and me being such has actualy only served to reveal some odd behavior on the part of other players, which, in turn, have backpedalled around a fair bit since and did some really fake questioning of one another to try and pull attention away from themselves + partner in scummyness.

In their efforts, they've managed to convice 1 player that I'm scum, for a reason or another. However, the can't outright snipe me without trying to paint someone else as scum, since this is a vengeful game and they're quite aware that I'm probably going to kill one of them if I get lynched. My opinions haven't changed thus far.

The only one thus far who seems to have a shade of townie to him is OSG, which means one of two things. He's either a really good mafia member who knows I'm townie and is thus trying to cause me to shoot one of the two other townies, or an actual townie who ended up comming to the same conclusions as I have.

I have no reasons to change my vote as of now, altough Roo and Elephant Parade seem increasingly scummy to me, but haven't given me as many red flags as Reverie has.


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Mafia / Re: Vengeful Mafia 11: Day 1 - It Takes Three Thieves [5/5]
« on: February 23, 2016, 11:31:19 am »
EBWOP: and this is strictly speaking in terms of me being scum and attempting a mislynch

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Mafia / Re: Vengeful Mafia 11: Day 1 - It Takes Three Thieves [5/5]
« on: February 23, 2016, 11:29:09 am »
If that were the case I'd have just allowed the hammer to happen.

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Mafia / Re: Vengeful Mafia 11: Day 1 - It Takes Three Thieves [5/5]
« on: February 23, 2016, 11:14:43 am »
PFP: roo, I instated the faux vote thing so we have all the time we need. Still, I'm a bit frustrated that it hasn't led to very much, especially considering TempAcc practically disappeared at the end of last week and the rest of us have been sitting on our hands waiting to hear what he has to say. Yes, I think he's scum. No, I can't guarantee that lynching him won't end up flattening town. We ALL have to be damn certain.

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Mafia / Re: Vengeful Mafia 11: Day 1 - It Takes Three Thieves [5/5]
« on: February 23, 2016, 05:30:33 am »
Waiting for rev to answer.
@rev is there anything he might say that might change your mind?
I'm not unreasonable. I doubt he'll change my mind, but it can happen.

Also, I don't like the way your pushing this specific question, as if you weren't voting for him yourself. And you let this question halt the game for you? Tell me, are you certain of your own vote, or were you hoping I wouldn't notice you trying to throw TempAcc a bone, help him tailor a response to weasel himself out? I could very well see the both of you holding your breath and waiting for me to answer your question. I could also see you being brave enough to ask this just after I agreed that a bus strategy would be stupid as hell.

I ask again: how do you feel about your own vote against TempAcc?

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