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« on: February 19, 2016, 04:05:56 pm »
Sounds good to me :-)
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« on: February 19, 2016, 03:58:58 pm »
Elephant Parade, just pop back in here once this weekend and take a break if you'd like. I'm thinking of playing lots of XCOM anyways ;-)
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« on: February 19, 2016, 03:28:35 pm »@rev are you convinced that temp is scum?Barring any outstanding arguments out of him (he hasn't posted more than two sentences in the past 48 hours), I think I am. It's hard to have too much conviction when being wrong could be costly in the worst way, but there we go. I do want him to weigh in though. If he's town, lurking is the worst thing he can do.
Why do you ask? Are you in a rush?
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« on: February 19, 2016, 11:50:54 am »Something has come up and I probably won't be able to get on the internet all day Saturday. I'll be back on Sunday though.If by this you mean you'll be gone from now until Sunday, I'm fine with waiting until you get back to hear your response. No rush.
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Mafia / Re: Vengeful Mafia 11: Day 1 - It Takes Three Thieves [5/5]
« on: February 19, 2016, 09:27:40 am »
Okay, so here's the deal. Based on what I've seen, TempAcc has only ever been on the defensive since I've pressured him and has done no appreciable scumhunting. I was going to wait until I heard why he hasn't adopted the faux-vote system before pressing on like this, but I doubt it would have changed much. I still think he's scum.
It's also pretty clear that a D1 bus for the mafia would likely be damaging to their chances, but given the small setup and the fact that there are three of us voting already, the inverse is true too. I think origamiscienceguy is TempAcc's scumbuddy. Here's why:
origamiscienceguy is the one player withholding an opinion of TempAcc, and given his apparent indecision, it feels to me like he's stuck between being unable to defend TempAcc (perhaps because OSG is the godfather and the stakes are too high), and keeping a low profile as a walking, talking mafia loss condition is wont to do. I would probably consider otherwise if his indecision led him into lines of questioning between myself and Elephant Parade (and maybe roo), but I've seen none of the sort since Elephant Parade dropped the third vote and the hammer was on the line.
Besides this, other things click into place. TempAcc's strange RVS behaviour concerning OSG makes sense in this context. Or origamiscienceguy's quick adoption of the faux-vote system, perhaps hoping to buy TempAcc more time. Or his conservative play, outside of attacking roo for bringing TempAcc close to a hammer. Am I hot or cold, OSG?
It's also pretty clear that a D1 bus for the mafia would likely be damaging to their chances, but given the small setup and the fact that there are three of us voting already, the inverse is true too. I think origamiscienceguy is TempAcc's scumbuddy. Here's why:
origamiscienceguy is the one player withholding an opinion of TempAcc, and given his apparent indecision, it feels to me like he's stuck between being unable to defend TempAcc (perhaps because OSG is the godfather and the stakes are too high), and keeping a low profile as a walking, talking mafia loss condition is wont to do. I would probably consider otherwise if his indecision led him into lines of questioning between myself and Elephant Parade (and maybe roo), but I've seen none of the sort since Elephant Parade dropped the third vote and the hammer was on the line.
Besides this, other things click into place. TempAcc's strange RVS behaviour concerning OSG makes sense in this context. Or origamiscienceguy's quick adoption of the faux-vote system, perhaps hoping to buy TempAcc more time. Or his conservative play, outside of attacking roo for bringing TempAcc close to a hammer. Am I hot or cold, OSG?
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« on: February 18, 2016, 04:59:38 pm »
Hopefully we make it that far.
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« on: February 18, 2016, 04:47:10 pm »Scum can have good arguments as well. Just because I agree with something doesn't mean that they are guarenteed town. I think that it is most likely that two of you three are scum, but that means nothing to you since to you, I could very well be scum trying to protect my scumbuddy. This is really only information for me.Well, yes. Obviously we're speaking in hypotheticals here, but it's useful to see where people's heads are. Stuff like this is the bread and butter of D2 and onwards.
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« on: February 18, 2016, 12:26:38 pm »Obviously, bussing the godfather is out of the question. But bussing the other mafia is an option if it truly looks hopless for them. However, tempacc is definately not a hopeless case, so I think that he is town and 2 scum are voting for him.
Its not worth to ~bus~ someone at this stage, IMO, even in a game as small as this one. Managing to get to day 2 with both scumbuddies intact gives a huge advantage, too big of an advantage to throw away.I'll agree that scum pulling a D1 gambit is indeed probably superfluous, since this game seems stacked against town as it is.
origamiscienceguy:
Okay, so should you not be lying or mistaken, these are the implications:
roo (who I assume you peg as scum already) and either Elephant Parade or myself are his possible scumbuddies. Here's the rub though: you seem satisfied with my argument against Temp, so deducing from that, that leaves roo and Elephant Parade? Except the last time you've even mentioned Elephant Parade was here:
Elephant Parade: Town. Good questions and observant.Unless your views on Elephant Parade have changed since your reads list, you're wrong somewhere. What do you think of Elephant Parade now?
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« on: February 18, 2016, 11:21:18 am »If I am voting somebody and 2 others, I cannot know if there is scum voting or not. For all I know, it could be all three townies voting. But I know that at least one scum is voting for tempacc right now.Whoops, I forgot you weren't voting TempAcc when I asked >___>
In that case, do you feel it is more likely said scum is bussing their scumbuddy, or pushing a mislynch? Would you consider it a plausible tactic to bus your scumbuddy on D1 in this setup, if you were in their shoes?
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« on: February 18, 2016, 10:00:57 am »
roo:
You have a bit of a terse and abrasive playstyle, and I've not heard enough out of you, so you're the biggest enigma to me right now. I do have a few questions:
origamiscienceguy:
I'd like to hear some more from you too.
You have a bit of a terse and abrasive playstyle, and I've not heard enough out of you, so you're the biggest enigma to me right now. I do have a few questions:
- Your vote against TempAcc is over him waffling between his vote being random and an intent to elicit a reaction out of me. Would you have been satisfied with a lynch for this reason? Do you feel sure enough to not need to pursue it more?
- How do you feel about the faux-vote system?
- Have your reads changed since a few days ago? Who do you suspect besides TempAcc, if anyone?
origamiscienceguy:
I'd like to hear some more from you too.
- You say that you are afraid of a TempAcc lynch because at least one scum is guaranteed to be voting for him (as long as I take you on your word that you're town). Would this be any different than participating in a hammer against anyone else, considering the same would be true in those cases as well?
- How do you feel about town's chances now that we've removed the opportunity for ill-conceived hammers?
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« on: February 17, 2016, 04:31:55 pm »
Do you guys ever write something then come back and read it again and wonder wtf you just wrote?
I actually did mean what I said here:
I actually did mean what I said here:
TempAcc did mention that he was looking at other vengekill candidates, but while that sounds nice I can't discount that this might be misdirection—especially since he seems to latch onto the notion that I'm scum so dearly.The original meaning could have been rephrased
TempAcc did mention that he was looking at other vengekill candidates, but while that sounds nice I can't discount that this might be misdirection—especially since I've been his only clear target up until now.I should probably not play so much when I'm tipsy, the fuzzy-headedness is probably contagious.
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« on: February 17, 2016, 03:06:51 pm »
I'll also add that his latching onto his idea that I'm scum only works if he's town. Wow, I really butchered that.
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« on: February 17, 2016, 03:03:14 pm »EBWOP:
TempAcc did mention that he was looking at other vengekill candidates, but while that sounds nice I can't discount that this might be misdirection—especially since he seems to latch onto the notion that I'm scum so dearly.The reasoning for this is wrong actually, since if he were scum and meant to misdirect us he wouldn't have a vengekill, but the potential for misdirection is still there.
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« on: February 17, 2016, 02:58:54 pm »Revarie, are you confident enough that TempAcc is scum that even if he said he is going to vengekill you, you would still vote him?That's a complicated matter I've been turning over in my head, and I'm glad you brought it up.
The short answer is no, I'm not. If this were any larger setup, with more players and breathing room for a potential mislynch on D1, it would be different. I'd call his bluff and that would be that. This game, though, is like starting on MYLO (it may as well be with the vengekill abilities), and doing that blind. Ordinarily I wouldn't care about dying if it meant having a shot to kill scum, but in this case, the whole game is on the line. TempAcc did mention that he was looking at other vengekill candidates, but while that sounds nice I can't discount that this might be misdirection—especially since he seems to latch onto the notion that I'm scum so dearly.
It all comes down to two outcomes. Do I call the bluff and hope the three of us voting TempAcc are right? Or do we drag this out for long enough to get comprehensive reads on everyone? I introduced the faux-vote system precisely so we can remove any time constraints, and naturally I'd choose the latter if it were up to me. Town's best odds are with taking its time.
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« on: February 17, 2016, 02:04:27 pm »Well not like what I say matters. I will eagerly await for osg and elephant to post their thoughts on temp.Actually, contrary to this statement, your voice carries a lot of weight. Assuming you're a townie, what you say matters a whole bunch, because there's only three of us.
Now if you're scum, I'll have to agree with you. Kick your feet up and save us the hassle of ratting you out.