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Yeah, I have to admit you guys have spoiled me. I went on the minecraft forums to look up something and I think my faith in humanity was "reworked" with a baseball bat. My grandfather used to say everyone has the same amount of intelligence and it's just a matter of how they use it... but he never got to see the minecraft forums.

I play both games and like them both. I spend more time on Dwarf Fortress and base a lot of my structures in minecraft off of things I've already made in Dwarf Fortress. Hell, nowadays the only time I play Minecraft is to show off my DF maps to my friends. But I have to admit the only reason I ever even found DF was by mistake while googling something or another for minecraft. I feel like making some sort of social comparison between the success of the two games and what that says about the attention span, level of dedication, and general intelligence of most people but that's a topic for another thread. I'll just be happy that another developer's success brought a good deal of new people to Toady's side, and that having such an exclusive group is the only reason we manage to have forums that can carry intelligent discussion without minimal flaming, trolling, and meme abuse.

I made a suggestion on item sinks earlier. Basically you would keep gathering resources to keep your fortress going. Currently you dont need anything other than food and booze to keep it running

Well we should need to produce clothes, perhaps dwarves would get an unhappy thought from wearing clothes damaged through battle, thus making all of those socks plundered in battle still useful unless the person bled all over them, though the shirt/pants would be in tatters. After all, we HAVE to keep our socks. But in all seriousness clothing and leisure goods such as toys, instruments, and most importantly mugs should and will all have a purpose in the fortress some day. They may even become legendary through being passed down through a clan of warriors or something. But for right now we have to make due with what we have.

Personally I feel that if you need the game to give you a goal then you really need to find a different embark. Try moving away from embarks with multiple shallow and deep metals, with flux and no aquifer. Try finding something with a unique terrain feature, every world has to have something. If your fps can handle it find waterfalls and build secret fortresses behind them. Take a hint from oceanbridge and build a fort intent on connecting an island to the mainland. Build a fortress in a scorching desert while at war with the elves and fight polar bear mounted soldiers with a swarm of giant war scorpions. And when you have killed the last elf, carved that 3 z-level dining hall, or created the hoover dam while flooding half the map you can look at your fortress and comment on how it would be nice to have your enemies have to face an onslaught of catapulted rocks on a bridge a thousand feet up in the sky. Or that you're not quite sure what happens to a dragon dumped in a dwarf-made whirlpool.

TLDR: The game has no goals, so make your own goals that no game could even consider possible. Then attain those goals and flood them with magma.

I love how well this has continued, the game seems to be giving enough writing material to make this last for a while especially since the bridge hasn't been continued yet. Can't wait to see where this goes.

(Did you ever find out definatively what happened to Shina? Reading back they just found her dead. Don't worry if you don't know off the top of your head, on the grand scale of things one death before reclaim isn't a big deal.)

Request redorfing:

Argon, furnace operator and whatever type of smith you have a need for at the moment. He's migrating from a position of power in another dwarven civ that's dying out and thus has to make a living where ever he can. Figuring that the largest dwarven building project yet would need a few extra hands, he decided to illegally migrate and see if there was an opportunity for him at Oceanbridge. He's not pompous and he's very down to Earth. He tries not to stand out too much, but tends to speak out through sarcasm. Feel free to take creative liberties, I'll adjust any logs I may write accordingly.

Hmm... I seem to have had quite a few of these designs, though they were more elegant and pointless rather than elegant and wasteful. I had a marsh embark with no clean water source and a ton of murky pools. I connected all of the murky pools with a system of channels and floodgates, had this system drain into the second soil layer where it was pumped through my dining hall (in a waterfall of course) and down into a cistern that encompassed almost the entire rock layer below my dining hall. A cistern this size would have normally been impossible to fill, but with the construction of chambers and floodgates it was possible to create a working mass of primitive plumbing.

Man, a cistern that doesn't kill fps AND holds more water than I could ever need. It almost sounds like the water in the caverns! Oh... that water. Right.

I'm rather disappointed that subject two was killed instead of appointed to the highest position of honor in the fortress, however it just may be more interesting to see what he does in undeath.

Also, everything about this study was dorfy BEFORE you made your own magma, now it's just mind blowing. I may have to get genesis and see what happens when a dorf walks through molten steel. Best case scenario a dorf will never lose a foot. Worst case scenario the dwarven mafia will be the first to reliably have dorfs wear -Lead Shoes-

WWUD if he had 3 wishes?

Wish for a waterfall and promptly get swept into the cistern before he got to wish for more dining tables and crundle fat sandwiches.

WWUD if he accidentally "ignited" a prickle berry bush while trying to retrieve his nth pair of socks?

Those maps look great! We all agree that they need more work to be PERFECT but to be honest if I saw that in a finished dwarf fortress I probably wouldn't think twice about (or really notice) most of the oddities. Maybe the bridge is under construction =p. Also, my friend's dad has a farm out in West Virginia that's pretty much surrounded by crops except for the road in and a small gravel plot around it. While I'm not sure if it's period specific for DF I've seen it in modern times. Another thing I find is that the dirt roads are fine the way they are since they aren't really man made, just paths created from walking. Maybe uniform tiles would make things seem more like a path, but the way I see it it's just the same thing as the rest of the ground just without foliage and packed a little harder.