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Quote from: Salmeuk on December 15, 2022, 10:45:48 pm

I think this labor update would have splashed better if Tarn warned us that design would be removing player control, intentionally. certain blog updates suggested this was coming but there was no explanation provided for this change of systems, which put a bad taste in many player's mouths

This is simply false. This post from August 2021 fully explained the labor system and all of the loss of control therein. Nothing was hidden here. I don't think they should be blamed for something they didn't do.

It was very, very clunky, to the point that many people preferred working with a gigantic spreadsheet, but the ability to set custom labors is powerful as well, so it's important to recapture while trying to avoid making the system too laborious.

yeah, fair, I honestly just forgot about that post. but i guess this is the part of this I would like to highlight. "important to recapture" yes. %100. %1000. I sort of trusted the process and it didn't work out as I had expected... the game is slow to interact with now, and that's way worse of a barrier for um certain people who hate slogging around a mouse cursor. keyboard cursor has issues with designating constructions.

surprised player controlled auto-selection of material failed to make it in? hopefully a stretch feature, it's a no-brainer

 so I dunno, I would appreciate it if the discussion were to continue without trying to shut people down by calling them liars? if you have an issue with my tone, well, just take a quick look at the steam threads for an example of how much less polite people can be.

the newly released classic version has many of the same issues mentioned previously in the thread (if not more) but hopefully those get smoothed out as the year ends. smoothing designations not appearing, no zoom feature, garbled text - and I'm surprised at how much of a throwback it is with non-square ACSCII. even the world map loses detail akin to the 2d version. nice new default color schema, however.

community to the rescue...

... not sure it would transfer? fairly sure premium update breaks old saves

seems like an oversight, can confirm no large gems made in my fortresses

and essentially end at "basically DF Therapist, but not quite as good".

yeah... am I the only one who used the DFhack labor management menu. . ? in-game accessibility paired with fast controls, ability to copy-paste labor selection, extra sorting options for large fortresses, and easy visual confirmation of an individual's skills and enabled labors.

after thorough playing of the new version, it has become clear that only a few of these features are partially replicated with the new menu. the rest are absent.

Quote from: King Zultan on December 19, 2022, 03:29:18 am

Echidnas seem to be the ultimate distraction, ether for the good of the fort or its downfall.

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I'm currently in the process of defeating hell with zombies in a 0.47 fort. My strongest soldiers are a dozen echidna corpses.

i am imagining that scene from star wars the phantom menace with the roller droids vs. Obi Wan, except its 12 fleshy spiked balls thundering down into the steaming slade and hundreds of demons letting out a collective, "nope."

Quote from: Salmeuk on December 17, 2022, 05:08:10 pm

basic cut gems of varying quality have never existed (iirc), but large gems can have quality values.

I too have noticed that gems used to be worth ~250 dwarfbucks are now estimated at ~1000 . . .

disastrous? doubtful. trading has never been balanced lol

Utterly immersion-breaking. Merchants take whatever price you label your crap at, as if you're the wisest man in the galaxy despite not doing math good.

I feel like I've wasted my time spent trying to figure out item value.

again, the immersion has always been broken, because well who tf would pay $10,000 for a 'lavish meal' consisting of a goat bladder and two shucked oysters boiled in a soup of dwarven piss-wine??

afaik aquifers do not drip from ceiling tiles, since the tiles that produce the liquid are blocked by the intervening floor tile.

perhaps you missed a spot for smoothing, or even a whole section of aquifer. this new version upped the aquifer frequency and now there are multiple layers on most embarks.

post images if you can!

ok thanks--- it looked like he was carrying around a shield.

Smoothing i designated hours ago, and now they get to it.

they were busy fishing for socks and praying to death gods . silly dwarfs