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@Ukranian Ranger: Vote for the party that is equivalent to the green party in the US.

Quote from: Ukrainian Ranger on April 01, 2014, 10:08:37 am

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My family lost all bank savings in 90s and parents wages was delayed up to 14-16 months at peak. Guess what, we still here. You really understimate endurance and little needs of slaves

Fixed that for you. Because only a mental slave can keep going on work while not being paid for more than a year

More like corporate or government slaves maybe.

Aren't Ukranians of the Slavic group as well though?

Thats exactly my point.

edit: btw, Ukraine had exactly same problems with delayed wages. I wonder, what it tells about UR if he not aknowledged of this fact. And that delay was redeemed eventually.

Quote from: XXSockXX on April 01, 2014, 08:04:11 am

It would hurt a lot economically to stop buying gas from Russia right now. Even during the Cold War Europe bought gas from Russia. However Europe is probably going to try become less dependent on Russian energy in the long term, that's been stated by a lot of politicians lately.

Yes it would hurt but 1) the damage would be larger in Russia then Europe 2) Europe has a much bigger economy to take up the slack.

Fuel exports to Europe are 15% of all Russian economic activity.  But Russian energy is only 25% of just the fuel sector in Europe.  The natural gas that is the lifeblood of the Russian economy accounts for just 5% of European electrical production.

If Europe was willing to absorb some costs they could squash Russia like a bug.  Russia's economy is almost tailor designed to be vulnerable to sanctions.  European politicians aren't eager to take that step but it's a very credible possibility in the new future.  When people are talking about the possibility of major armed conflict seriously a 5% substitution of electricity with higher cost alternatives doesn't sound too bad, does it?  In fact from an economic standpoint Europe would be doing itself a favor by stimulating it's depressed economy with new energy investments.

You scaring shits out of me  My family lost all bank savings in 90s and parents wages was delayed up to 14-16 months at peak. Guess what, we still here. You really understimate endurance and little needs of slavs, thats biggest mistake West usually tends to make.

Besides, some EU countries completely depend on our gas (liek Poland is 92% or something) and belt of mediterranean countries quite dependant on our tourists money (it's millions of ppl a year). There is much more to that list but I cba to provide links, because any prooflinks is going to be ignored or refuted anyways.

I don't know if the USSR had much mobility like that, but if it did I can see how some people would find grabbing onto any single national identity to be difficult.

They defenitely did. It's was called "Raspredelenie". You was called as a specialist in some area.

Russia = Kievan Rus. Why it's even are novelty?

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But can you be so sure? I'm sure they were "Russians" in much the same way that UR's were 200 years ago.

BTW, One of my Grandfathers is a Russian by any definition of the word.

My grand grand mother is Ukrainian from mother side.

Quote from: Owlbread on March 25, 2014, 03:21:54 pm

It's just unfortunate when I see a modern day descendant of a conquered nation so assimilated into the conquerer's realm that they do not think of themselves as distinct anymore, even making the mistake of seeing themselves as being a part of that nation even in antiquity.

That kind of people form a backbone of Soviet people. They lost their nationality but never got a new one. They may think they are Russian but if you dig up you'll see that they know very little about Russian history, Russian traditions, Russian ethics and substitute that with USSR era morals and historical myths.

Or not... You dig way too shallow.

Quote from: gogis on March 25, 2014, 03:24:42 pm

Last 8 years I lived in Moscow, so it's relevant. Go on with direct question. I know everything about Russia. Be it rural or not.

I don't doubt that. I'm not even talking about rural or urban differences. It's just that, even if they have been so assimilated, I still believe there is an Udmurt nation distinct from Russia.

    "Dun oşmes vu žiľırté şur'yosın,
    Volga-Kam – pacıyl virséram.
    Rossien çoş kaygın no danın Ton,
    Udmurtie mınam! Yugdıtı."

I hope that one day Udmurts will see the light and seek their own freedom, but the world would probably have to shift quite dramatically for anything like that to happen.

They don't want to be free. My former classmate is hardcore Udmurt. He don't want to segregate, what I should say here? I am not really "udmurt" I just was born there. I mean all minorities is fine. I can't undertsand why you are not (or you are okay?)

Quote from: gogis on March 25, 2014, 03:12:23 pm

I am literally Udmurt. I was born there. But my parents from Chelyabinsk, so I am not sure. As I understood, you are Scot? Well okay. You try and die trying to be a scot? Or what? I am russian. Fuck it. Bigger is better.

Well, that's one of the issues that people like Ukrainian Ranger and myself face. Is it better to be a part of a wider nation? Is "bigger" better? I think smaller countries all over the world tend to be happier places and can address their own problems better. They are also easier to integrate into genuine multinational unions like the EU (I would prefer most of the EU member states to be a bit smaller though).

Bigger countries just tend to cause problems and, more often than not, just become vehicles for small numbers of people to become very, very powerful and wealthy when they form elites.

It's just unfortunate when I see a modern day descendant of a conquered nation so assimilated into the conquerer's realm that they do not think of themselves as distinct anymore, even making the mistake of seeing themselves as being a part of that nation even in antiquity.

Last 8 years I lived in Moscow, so it's relevant. Go on with direct question. I know everything about Russia. Be it rural or not.