Nobody is saying Israel is the worst, they’re saying what Israel is doing is wholly unreasonable, and providing evidence thereof. Even retired military leaders on the Israeli war council say destroying Hamas isn’t the goal of this conflict.
Israeli intelligence ministry drafted a concept paper proposing forcing Palestinians into refugee camps in North Sinai, then taking control of the Egyptian/Gaza border so Palestinians couldn't return. Netanyahu said this wasn't a government plan
then told the Egyptians he wanted to take control of the Egyptian/Gaza border.In a press conference, he told the press that he intended to have permanent "security control" of all Israel, West Bank and Gaza. Then on social media said he had no intention of permanently occupying Gaza.Meanwhile the Chief of Staff Herzi Halevi criticised Netanyahu for allegedly giving him no actual defined war aims, leaving him with the job of leading a military operation without knowing what it is he is trying to achieve. Defence analyst Amos Harel, suggested that the lack of war aims was due to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu only caring about trying to secure his political future and preparing for the upcoming elections.This is the same dickhead who supported Hamas and then diverted Israel's security and intelligence services away from tracking Hamas towards protecting settlers in West Bank.What he’s doing isn’t Gish gallop because it’s all relevant to the current discussion. All the things he points out are facts, supported by the links he provided. Gosh gallop is when false or irrelevant information is provided as evidence.
Just because you can’t be bothered engaging with it doesn’t make it Gish gallop. Just because you’re happy providing zero evidence of your positions does not mean everybody is, like when you pick one thing out of the “Gish gallop” and provide zero evidence for why it’s wrong.
I don’t understand why you keep trying to insinuate people are anti-Semites when the reason the IDF and Israeli government are being called evil isn’t because they’re Israeli, or because they’re Jewish, it’s because of the horrible things they’re doing to their fellow human beings.
And it's easy too. Don't need to justify shit if you just act like a Taylor Swift fan. "Nah they don't dislike her songs, they just jealous"
Like shit man, we all got post histories on this forum. Strongpoint trying to tell me I'm Hamas too, everyone Hamassing a hamassanal of hamass destruction, spinning narratives to snare innocent racial supremacy parties trying to build an ethnostate and get away with murder. He did the same shit when the London protests were going on, saying the protestors were all fake Jews like orthodox or jihadis, all without proof, then when I post proof of muslims and jews protesting together in solidarity it's all "nah nah that's an isolated incident" of... 100,000 people.
And fuuuuuuck man. I didn't go to this protest. I was busy working. The last time I thought about Israel was when I ran the bay12 eurovision thread and you can search for my anti-Israel eurovision narrative, but you won't find one. You'll only find a joke about "how did Australia sneak into eurovision." If I am appalled by the SASR or the SAS just executing captive civilians, or sniping dudes in their sleep, and call them out on their fucking war crimes, do I hate Britain and Australia? Am I all about that anti-Anglo narrative?
Fuck. What is true and right is just what is true and right. Eurovision got nothing to do with it. And when Israel is next on eurovision, and they got a good song, I'll vote for them again. What I'm not going to do is vote for a British MP who supports mindlessly blowing up children just to appease racial supremacists
Like maybe they have a hard time separating "people don't like Israeli government massacring innocent people" with "people don't like Israel." Because they cannot tell the difference between a child and a soldier, or right and wrong, or Palestinian and Jihadi. And in the case of the IDF, they also can't seem to tell the difference between an Israeli or an Arab.
Just think - the Israelis and Arabs look so alike, and sound so alike, that the IDF has killed unarmed Israelis, because they mistook them for unarmed Palestinians. This is that peak clown world shit. That real honk honk sauce
So then we get the minister of national security, who idolises actual terrorists like Goldstein and Kahane, heading the Jewish Power Party, telling Israelis that Jewish rights supercede Arab rights. Then you get the leader of the National Religious Party–Religious Zionism and minister of defence who himself lives on an illegal west bank settlement, agreeing 100%. Sorry Muhammad. Then you get people like the IDF Chief Rabbi saying it's okay to rape gentile women in war "but only hypothetically speaking" and you just got to think to yourself, could Netanyahu really find no one else to make his government?And like... I can't love that. I can't even look the other way from that. This shit is repulsive and fucking ugly and immoral and just evil. Hell isn't a place sinners go to when we die, it's a place we make now for the living
A recent opinion poll published in the Times showed that Joe Biden's handling of the Gaza war has been met with solid disapproval among Americans, particularly younger Democrats. The poll reported that 57 percent of voters exhibited dissatisfaction with Biden's approach, and 33 percent supported it, while among younger voters, almost three-quarters expressed dissatisfaction with Biden's approach to the war.
It's going to come way too late for the current generation of Palestinians, but when the boomers die, that 57% is gonna go way up if <75% of youngsters kinda hate the war crimes colonise grindset
And like fuck man. I've grown up my whole life people telling me I don't belong here, I don't belong there. But then I also found community. This post from way back, I meant it, every word:
When I went to school, we had people from everywhere, man. Some of my friends, right? One of them, his grandfather was French. The other's was Algerian. Their grandfathers were not just enemies - they were vicious enemies. And when they saw their grandkids were best friends they broke down in tears and became friends too. We had jewish students too of every stripe; secular, diaspora, sephardi, mizrahi, ashkenazi, jews who observed diligently and jews who ate bacon, and they were all unique people with their own voices and opinions. Real human beans. If you asked them what they thought about this whole shit each of them would have something different to say. And we also had palestinians - who still have, or maybe no longer given recent events, had family in Palestine & Israel. So I'm laughing when I read all this shit about how Palestinians need to be sent to re-education camps or cleansed from the earth like they are some kind of race of rabid zombies; this is just a repeat of the cleaning of native Americans, and how they were portrayed as evolutionary degenerates and scalping barbarians even as they were cleansed from their land.
My best friend invited me to his bar-mitzvah, I was one of only three gentiles there, and it was fucking unforgettable being spun around in a wild circle by some tall Jewish uncle with the sick hair and wild flair. And there were these debate clubs - every time I was usually the sole audience member, because they gave all this free food and drinks. There were only three times there was a big audience. Once, it was the girls vs boys. The girls had to argue women had to argue
against gender equality laws, the boys had to argue
pro gender equality laws.
The second was something to do with American elections where people pretended to be Presidential candidates, and the third was "should Israel be disarmed of nuclear weapons?" Now my school was about 5% arab and 25% jewish, and you had a real BRICs mix. My old headmaster once made a colossal gaffa "we are the most diverse school in all of London. And
yet we still succeed." He did not mean to add the "yet" and we gave him a standing ovation for it. So you got a whole load of boys showing up for this debate, because we knew it was gonna be spicy. Me, my Ukrainian friend, my Iranian friend and my Sri Lankan friend all took our seats. The debate host dude announces the topic of debate: "should Israel be disarmed?"
The front row of like 8 seats were all held by students wearing their kippahs, and they nodded in
synchronised unison like the blues brothers "no," and in the total silence of the room it was just
perfect. Whole hall burst out fucking laughing as the debate host failed to keep a straight face. And this what I mean, even the single Palestinian kid in my Chemistry class could be best friends with two Israelis talking about their summers in Israel, without holding a chip on his shoulder about the fact that he and his whole family lost everything to the Israeli gov. Cos again, why would he? His m8s got nothing to do with what happened to him. The only comment I ever heard him make about the whole thing was one day, this Palestinian kid is sitting next to two Israeli-Britons, and they didn't know each other were born in Israel. So they start going all the whole "oh where were you born" "oh no way" and the Palestinian kid just blurts "yeah, where in PALESTINE were you born?" and the entire chemistry class goes APE wild. That shit was banter
And again, end of the day those three were bros. You couldn't fuck that fraternity up
At University, I read Jewish literature and got accursed by the James Joyce's Ulysses. Not because of the zionism in Ulysses, but because I'll never be able to remove the mental image of the main character sitting in the bathtub thinking about how his floating pube haired cock looks like a sea anemone or some shit lmao
Without going into so much detail I doxx myself, my mentor, whom I would fucking die for, one of the best guys in the entire world, is a british jew who collected Eldar 40k minis since the 1990s. Which admittedly he has little to nothing to do with Israel whatsoever, but the insinuation is "Israel doesn't have legit critics. It has haters, who hate Israel becuz it's Jewish."
It's all mega skegness, if the divide between understanding is so wide that "I WANT THE KILLING TO STOP. I WANT THE KILLING TO STOP. I WANT THE KILLING TO STOP" is interpreted as "you just want to kill us."
I once shitposted with a guy who said he was an orthodox Christian whose family lost everything in Palestine, moving to the USA as refugees. Someone asked him if his family had supported Hamas, and he said nah, his family lost their homes before Hamas existed, and they were christians not muslims. Another guy said "look you didn't lose your home, it was stolen" and he said something very profound.
What he actually said was:
Diego: yes peace, but your family not lost their home, they have stolen it
seron: We all have stolen from God and our neighbor, everything that we have belongs to Him. You're just a sojourner in this world nothing more. We should try to act like it more.
Asasssssin: Have you tried NOT to attack the Israelis so as not to lose your home?
seron: [I cut out a lot here detailing his family background] Also please read my response after. All of this is meaningless, just pray (*3*) I love you. BTW we are one big family. Last question, do you like anime?
Which I think you could paraphrase well as a new prayer for a new age:
"I pray not for vengeance nor for forgiveness. I pray only that mercy be given to those who have taken from me. We are all just guests in this transient world loaned to us by the creator. Do you like anime?"
If you still think I hate people who support rape, genocide and slaughter civilians = frothing fury fired at Israel sure go for it. But you have never had any evidence, and you never will find any. I just hope you find a good anime and chill the fuck out instead of being a series of team killing fucktards for the rest of your lives. Also that my government stops supporting the slaughter of civilians lol, that's also a
tiny objective of mine. It kinda ruins my day when people I pay taxes to help fucking obliterate a building full of people, and then just keeps doing it again and again. Like fuck man, ISIS is bad for blowing up archaeological sites, but then Israel just does it again and again to some of the oldest religious buildings in the world. I like to go online and lol @ evangelicals cos I always just ask them the simple shit like "does Jesus want you to kill Christians" or "does Jesus want you to blow up his oldest churches"
The Israel Defense Forces' detonation of more than 300 mines planted at Israa University in Gaza on Wednesday provided the latest evidence that Israel's objective in its bombardment of the enclave is not self-defense, rights advocates said.
"This is not self-defense," said Chris Hazzard, an Irish member of the United Kingdom's Parliament. "This is not counter-insurgency. This is ethnic-cleansing."
The International Middle East Media Center (IMEMC) called the destruction of Israa University Israel's latest attempt to carry out a "cultural genocide" along with the slaughter of at least 24,620 people in just over three months—people who Israeli officials have claimed are legitimate military targets despite the fact that roughly half of those killed have been children.
The wiping out of cultural landmarks was included in South Africa's International Court of Justice case accusing Israel of genocidal acts in Gaza last week, with the complaint noting that "Israel has damaged and destroyed numerous centers of Palestinian learning and culture," including libraries, one of the world's oldest Christian monasteries, and the Great Omari Mosque, where an ancient collection of manuscripts was kept before the building was destroyed in an airstrike last month.
"The crime of targeting and destroying archaeological sites should spur the world and UNESCO into action to preserve this great civilizational and cultural heritage," Gaza's Ministry of Tourism and Antiquities said after the mosque was bombed.
Now, international relations professor Nicola Perugini of the University of Edinburgh said, "all the universities in Gaza have been damaged or destroyed."
The thing I find morbidly hilarious is the way Israel's destruction of historical artifacts and historical sites just got increasingly more... Implausible... Over time.
Running a bulldozer over an iron-age archaeological site? Nebuchadnezzar would be disappointed. Maybe it was an isolated case though...
200 out of 325 registered sites destroyed. Probably would have been safer to not register those sites with the Israeli government. The loss of Pheonician and Roman artifacts... Fucking heart breaking.
150 years of central archives, there's nothing left now. With their sniper killing a mother and a child and shooting and injuring 7 others who tried to save the girls or escape the church. Naturally, IDF asked the church to prove they didn't have rocket launchers??? When they can see clearly the girl and her mother didn't have rocket launchers??? The bombing of the Orthodox Patriarchate of Jerusalem and the Episcopal Church of Jerusalem hospital run by the Anglicans and shooting at disabled people hiding in churches with direct fire from tanks...
Bombing the third oldest church in the world sheltering 5,00 refugees, killing 150-200 people and partially destroying the historic religious site... To destroying the oldest mosque in Gaza, which used to be a Byzantine church, which was itself built atop a temple dedicated to fucking Dagon the site was that old.And then you just get shit where the IDF straight up turned a University into their own military HQ, used it as a military base for the IDF, planted 315 mines in it and then blew it up after taking all of its museum relics. Because Hamas... Used it... In the 70 days... The IDF used it as a barracks and HQ...It's just fucked man. "The United Nations' Office for the Co-ordination of Humanitarian Affairs (Ocha) publishes regular bulletins on the impact of the war, and they make for grim reading.
Its latest updates say that at least 60% of homes or housing units in Gaza have been "destroyed or damaged". Nine in every 10 schools have suffered "significant damage". Hospitals, public buildings and electricity networks have also been hit."Oops I did it again, 90% hit rate on schools, got lost in the sauce, but it's all militarily necessary because Hamas were there even in the places we were there or Hamas weren't because as we all know, you can blow up an associated press building full of
international journalists all whom say there was no Hamas in there with them and you can just call them all Israel-hating liars with no evidence and everyone should just not and send another billion dollar weapons package to Israel.
Oh wait sorry that wasn't this war, that was one war ago in 2021. Shit man, so fucking hard to keep track of which building is getting blown up for no reason
Why the Global South Supports Pretoria’s ICJ Genocide Case
Namibia and Bangladesh are the most vocal of many countries backing South Africa’s legal challenge to Israel.
Namibia has issued a statement in support of South Africa’s genocide case against Israel at the International Court of Justice (ICJ), including a scathing criticism of Germany’s decision to intervene in defense of Israel.
Namibian President Hage Geingob said on Saturday that Germany could not “morally express commitment to the United Nations Convention against genocide, including atonement for the genocide in Namibia, whilst supporting the equivalent of a holocaust and genocide in Gaza.” Berlin has not responded yet.
The German government said on Jan. 12 that the accusation of genocide against Israel had “no basis” and amounted to a “political instrumentalization” of the convention. “In view of Germany’s history and the crime against humanity of the [Holocaust], the Federal Government sees itself as particularly committed to the Convention against Genocide,” it said.
The Namibian presidency said in response that “no peace-loving human being can ignore the carnage waged against Palestinians in Gaza” and slammed Germany’s “inability to draw lessons from its horrific history.”
About 80 percent of the Herero population and 50 percent of the Nama population in German South West Africa, now Namibia, were killed between 1904 and 1908 after German soldiers drove them into the desert and sealed off watering holes to stop survivors from returning. The majority died in concentration camps that were a precursor to the methods used in the Holocaust.
In what historians describe as the first genocide of the 20th century, Namibians resisting colonization were placed in concentration camps and a death camp known as Shark Island—a prototype for Auschwitz—in which Indigenous people and children born from the rape of imprisoned women by German soldiers were gruesomely experimented on to prove racial inferiority. About 65,000 Herero and 10,000 Nama were massacred. The severed heads of Namibian prisoners were sent back to Germany for research, and native Africans were put on display in human zoos. Hermann Wilhelm Göring, the son of the colony’s governor, Heinrich Göring, became one of Adolf Hitler’s most notorious military leaders.
Beyond Africa, Bangladesh—another nation born amid genocidal violence—said in a statement released Sunday that it would intervene as a third party in defense of South Africa’s case. It is the only nation so far to announce it will do so. Bangladesh’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs said it “stands in support of South Africa’s application” against Israel’s “blatant disregard for and violation of international law” and “welcomes the opportunity to file a declaration of intervention in the proceedings in due course.”
The fact that South Africa has brought the case—and that the United States has reflexively opposed it—has further diminished U.S. credibility among Africans and shattered the notion that Washington stands for a rules-based order. Many nations in the so-called global south perceive blatant hypocrisy in Europe and the United States’ condemnation of an illegal occupation in Ukraine while continuing to staunchly back Israel despite the rising death toll in Gaza and settler violence in the Israeli-occupied West Bank. “When you are on the wrong side of the U.N. secretary-general … you are dismantling your house with the very tools that built it,” wrote Nesrine Malik in the Guardian.
South Africa has asked the ICJ to take provisional emergency measures to immediately suspend Israel’s military operations in Gaza and “take all reasonable measures” to prevent genocide. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has remained defiant. “No one will stop us, not The Hague, not the [Iranian-led] axis of evil and not anyone else,” he said Saturday.
Why does Netanyahu speak like a fucking villain caricature lmao, I'm laughing outside but crying inside
