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Originally posted by Neskiairti:
<STRONG>ive never been able to import enough booze.</STRONG>

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My current fort with ~70 dwarves has roughly 10,000 booze in storage, every single drop is either from the traders or from plants the traders brought. Furthermore, I don't request plants OR booze - that's all just from the stuff they bring anyway (and which I compulsively buy even though I don't need it at all).

If you full order booze and every plant type from the humans you should EASILY get enough to supply even 200 dwarves.

considering a moderate sized fort has at least 10,000 and maybe as many as 100,000 stones laying around in it at any given time, I doubt the mud and such caked on each dwarf makes much of a difference at all.

I try and remember to check the stocks screen and dump the small piles of bolts (anything under 10 or so) every now and then. If a dwarf is using one, I think he drops it (or someone takes it from him to dump) and grabs a new pile if you do this.

still, I agree - there is no point to having 1 bolt and it's just a needless frustration at the moment.

Assassins are a really good idea, but I don't think it should be kobolds - kobolds seem to be unorganized and generally primitive. Goblins seem a better choice, but we already have goblin sieges and snatchers so maybe that's a bit much from one race? Elves don't really seem to be the type to assassinate either, I think the current elf 'siege' fits them pretty well...

Maybe humans could send assassins if you anger them too much? they could be sort of a midway point between kobolds and goblins - sneak almost (but not quite) as well as goblins, and avoid traps that the human diplomat has seen so sort of like kobolds. They would also be tougher in combat thanks to their size, and better equipped then a kobold. Even better, once wars and armies start going could be dwarf assassins - maybe disguised as a diplomat or trade representative.

In either case they could be sent in advance of a siege to sow confusion and remove leaders or maybe high level military members. Possibly also sent after a failed siege in an attempt to push over an already weakened fort?

would give the royal and fortress guard a new purpose, especially if they were better at spotting thieves/assassins then normal dwarves or normal military dwarves.

Dwarves should be able to start fires by setting up some logs in a pile then lighting them somehow (probably best to abstract it away like most tools are). This would be useful for melting ice to give your dwarves something to drink (well, if heat traveled through walls better anyway), disposing of garbage/corpses, making traps (especially if booze really does explode when it gets set on fire) and probably some other stuff.

Also it would add yet another way to accidentally turn the fortress into a fiery inferno which is always a good thing.

The dewmer had giant steam powered mechs. who did you think made all those yellow robots you always had to fight in their ruins? ok I guess they were not really 'giant' but they were bigger then a man iirc.

and yes I want some for my fortress.

I always figured the highly skilled dwarves stayed in their own mountainhomes because they had jobs and nice rooms and could buy whatever they wanted from the shops.

The migrants were the poor soap and cheese makers who don't have a room and can't afford anything so they moved out looking for a better fort (not that I ever make a fort that needs soap makers). This explains why they are always not very skilled.

I think removing coins as actual objects and abstracting them away would be a good idea, actually. Even if they restacked, that's alot of extra objects to track in a big fort.

Instead, the smelter should eat a bar and just add 500 coins total to your horde (maybe you should have to build a vault building, which kobolds could steal from). When dwarves get payed, it should add that much to their coffer (or stay in the bank if they don't have one, but the dwarf gets mad) automatically. Maybe the coin types could be abstracted away too, and it would just add say 7500 generic monies (or whatever) to your total every time you make gold coins.

When you visit in adventure mode, it should generate a big pile of coins in the vault (and coffers) for you to carry off if you want.

IMHO this would be much better then tracking a zillion piles of coins for no good reason.