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Quote from: BurnedToast on November 17, 2014, 02:05:29 pm

Quote from: Vector on November 17, 2014, 01:51:17 pm

Quote from: BurnedToast on November 17, 2014, 12:38:55 pm

Let the bigots and racists and zealots show the world just how disgusting they really are - they will hurt themselves far, far more then trying to silence them would.

The question is who else they'll hurt in the process.

If they hurt people directly, via assault etc then we already punish that.

If they hurt people's feelings - too bad, nobody promised anyone a world where everyone agrees on everything. They have as much right to believe what they believe as you have to believe what you do.

What if I start riling people up against the Turks (the biggest minority in Germany), telling them to burn down their houses and drown their children? I haven't hurt anyone myself...
Not that I necessarily agree with what Vector had in mind - she was a wee bit unspecific - but it's  more complicated than 'Free speech reigns surpreme'. As I said in the bodily autonomy debate: It's always about weighing different rights and interests against each other.

In my opinion? I think the people that burned down the house should be punished for that, but I'm not sure I'd say you committed a crime unless you specifically ordered them to do it.

Obviously there's a lot of grey area around what is considered ordering someone to do it, but I don't personally think the act of suggesting that you would be happy if the turks were burned out of germany should automatically be illegal on it's own

Quote from: BurnedToast on November 17, 2014, 12:38:55 pm

Let the bigots and racists and zealots show the world just how disgusting they really are - they will hurt themselves far, far more then trying to silence them would.

The question is who else they'll hurt in the process.

If they hurt people directly, via assault etc then we already punish that.

If they hurt people's feelings - too bad, nobody promised anyone a world where everyone agrees on everything. They have as much right to believe what they believe as you have to believe what you do.

How much child slave labor is Company B using in this example?

They use *all* the child slave labor, but it's OK because you hate children almost as much as you hate babies.

The difference is that the former affects politics only indirectly.

If you want to be pedantic, then I suppose everything indirectly affects politics.

What, no option for homebrew? ... though I suppose technically that could count as a locally made craft brew.

I've never had beer. I hear it's an acquired taste, and that a lot of the mass-produced stuff is pretty terrible. I wouldn't be adverse to trying some, but I'm rarely in a situation where I can drink alcohol anyway.

That's just beer snobs being beer snobs.

Mass produced beer is not terrible, it's just designed to appeal to as many people as possible which tends to leave it rather generic and bland.

There's nothing wrong with enjoying a budweiser or whatever now and then, but you should experiment with different styles because there's a good chance there's something you will like better.

I disagree and this goes against a fundamental principle of social democracy.


Actually it combine two topical American misguided idea : freedom of speech is absolute and "you vote with your wallet".
Freedom of speech shouldn't be absolute : hate speech is an agression and, because it force peoples to be civil, the state itself should sanction it.


And the monetisation of politics make it so that ALL political parties are controlled by money, Democrat and Republican. In practice, CEO shouldn't be allowed to voice a political opinion and companies whouldn't be allowed to finance politics. As long as they are, poorer peoples will never be represented.
In your system, if your wallet is empty you don't exist.

And I disagree with you - freedom of speech *should* be absolute. The instant you decide some speech is acceptable and some is not, is the instant the concept becomes meaningless. Let the bigots and racists and zealots show the world just how disgusting they really are - they will hurt themselves far, far more then trying to silence them would.

As for "vote with your wallet", I think you've completely misunderstood the phrase. it's not supposed to apply to politics at all, it applies to influencing the behavior of companies and markets. Most americans would agree that the corruption of politics by money is a bad thing (though, nobody can agree on how to fix it)

Science Fiction tidbit! I studied it a bit in University, and I learnt one important thing.
The best way to make a Professor who has focused on Science Fiction cringe, is to call it Sci-fi. To them there's a huge distinction between Science Fiction (Asimov, Clark et. al.) and Sci-Fi (Star Wars etc.).

I wonder how they feel about syfy?

Quote from: BurnedToast on November 08, 2014, 09:29:36 pm

Quote from: Baffler on November 08, 2014, 09:15:43 pm

Now, I think, we just need to find the bond energies for all of these, add them together, and adjust those numbers based on the % mass of each. Add it to the number BurnedToast got, and if I'm right we've got a fair approximation.

The bond energies would literally just be rounded off and not change the answer at all.

For water, it's 458.9 kj per mol. Pretending the cup is made of water too (because lazy), and saying about 18g of water per mol gives us about 16 mol or ~7330 kj.

That's 7.33 × 10-9 petajoules, or (if I'm counting my zeros right) 0.000000007330 petajoules

That's not right, but it does just round off either way in the face of numbers like we're dealing with here. I'm mostly just considering it for curiosity's sake.

Where is it wrong?

Genuine question, I'm not a chemist so it was based on about 10 minutes of google research and I'm curious how badly wrong I got it.

In star trek cannon, they didn't actually replicate everything directly from energy, they had a big mass tank that recycled the matter over and over again, and the replicator just formed it into whatever was ordered. But oh well, you want light directly into matter so....

90 megajoules of energy adds about 1 microgram of mass to a system.

Let's call it 6 ounces of tea, which is about 170 grams. One porcelain teacup is about 120 grams (a surprisingly difficult bit of information to find). So the total mass is about 290 grams

As I'm sure we all know, there's 1,000,000 micrograms in a gram. So that means we've got about 290 million micrograms, times 90 megajoules per microgram, which gives us 26.1 petajoules of energy required.

You ask for that in common, everyday units. I'm not sure that's practical. So I'll give you another unit instead - that's very roughly the energy released by 390 "little boy" atomic bombs.

Edit: or another way of looking at it, the largest nuclear power plant in the world (kashiwazaki-kariwa, located in japan) produces 60 TWH per year. That's about 216 petajoules. So, it would take about 8% of the yearly power output of the largest nuclear power plant on earth to make your cup of tea.