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We have barrels of prepared meals, which is essentially the same thing.

Boxcar Children could be a good set. They kind of devolve in quality after the 15th-20th volume or so, but they're really good for young readers to start out with, particularly around that age or a little younger.

That was actually what I was going to suggest before I read through the thread and saw someone had already mentioned it. I think it's neat so many of us have the same mindset when it comes to kids' books. lol

I read a lot of other varied books around that age, though, but I'm native English and was a little advanced for my age anyway.

I personally think a tantrum spiral would be the best way for these corrupt fortresses to go down... really rub it in their faces that they're corrupt. Make them live it. 

Toady intends to add 'moving fortresses' and fortress parts, so yeah, it'll definitely be a thing.

Really? Can I get a link to where he said that? This interests me.


I'm looking forwards to when catapults damage walls, though. That'll be neat.

Dwarves eating twinkies? What?


Spearbreakers is all about story, with a heavy dose of "OH GOD WE'RE ALL FUCKED AND IT'S STILL ONLY GRANITE" thrown in.

Snack cakes: zero points for story, zero points for setting, and zero points for continuity. We might add fairies as pets next to continue this trend.

It's not just the snack cakes, but the combination of giant armykiller magical toys + lovable furry dog men + twinkies that's pushing it a little too far for me.


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I'm gonna see what Talvieno thinks of it (as he's less apt to rip my head off)

Heh. Irony.

I apologize if this was discussed already, but I do not really follow this thread, I only read FotF replies made by Toady. So anyone feel free to provide an answer should they have one.

Toady! With deep sites/hill settlements becoming a thing, official positions being more realistically held, armies slowly running around and liaisons spreading information, in which arc or at what point do you foresee migrant rework is coming? Right now, it's still to easy to flood your fortress with new arrivals relatively early on if you only let your original 7 be moderately productive. When will migrants start acknowledging that while your fort has beautiful smooth interior walls and decently big meeting hall, so does other (NPC) forts, i.e., when will more than a raw fortress wealth vs. death-per-year-count be taken into account when game decides to send migrants? And when do hill dwarfs come into play?
Note, I'm not asking you about some fixed timescale, just your opinion or rather vision on this thing. Thanks!

(also - yay, my first FotF question!)

The game actually already takes the value of your fortress and death-per-year into account. If you do poorly enough, you'll receive a "no migrants this season" message. It isn't absolute, however, and, in addition, the first two migrant waves are hard-coded. From the third wave and beyond, the number of migrants you receive is loosely correlated to the two variables you mentioned.

As far as I know, hill dwarves will exist in the next version, but you won't get to interact with them in any meaningful way during Fortress Mode until the version after. Toady indirectly answers it here:

I suspect when we get to the deep dwarves under-outside of your fortress map (which'll very likely happen at the same time that the hill dwarves matter, and that's not too far away), the game will come to understand how to use the tunnels.

I'm actually not entirely sure.

In the Internet circles I frequented, you always heard little mentions of it here and there: people would talk in whispers about the difficulties or majesties of Dwarf Fortress, while others would say they wish they could play. Still others would talk about how it was the best game they'd ever played, but they were always brief, nondescriptive comments that didn't really leave me hungering for more. Finally, I found it on the Minecraft entry in Wikipedia, noted as a game Notch supposedly tried to copy when he made Minecraft - but failed. As anyone who knows of Notch's work knows, the man has never made an original thing in his life, so for there to be something he had unsuccessfully tried to create... that had my attention.

Unfortunately, not for long. I downloaded the game, started it up, and was beset by what seemed a psychedelic array of random colors and symbols (ASCII), and I couldn't make one thing from the next. As a result, I became convinced that it was just an inside joke and not actually a "modern game", abandoning the attempt. (Ironically, when I first played Minecraft, I also thought I was being pranked, that it was the dumbest thing I'd ever seen, and abandoned it for a year or so until prompted by someone to give it a second shot. Now I'm back to thinking it's pretty dumb. )

Later, however... Something brought me to Boatmurdered. I don't know what it was, I don't know where it was, and I don't know who it was, or if there even was a "who". I began skeptically: "Oh, this is that game, the one that's the inside joke, but who cares, I'm bored and don't really have anything else to do." And as anyone who's read Boatmurdered knows... it leaves you wanting to play the game.

So I did.

Cue digging into a murky pool from the side because I thought it was some sort of gems and didn't understand z-levels, which then turned out to be water. I was convinced my dwarves were drowning to death and abandoned the attempt in panic. This was followed by a "mighty" year-old fortress in the "sky" (read: on a hilly plateau with 2z+ slopes) that was eventually swarmed by goblins (read: they went up the slopes I'd built my walls around because I didn't understand z-levels). My third fort lasted longer, primarily because I'd finally adopted a graphics pack and had discovered z-levels and how to use them to my advantage... and from there, as I drafted everyone sloppily into a military to fend off a goblin ambush, and died a horrible, horrible death from a tantrum spiral... I was hooked.

so... I'm one of the few people who learned to play by throwing themselves into it, rather than the wiki, forums, or tutorials.
It was a bloody mess.
And it was glorious.

Step Six: Look back on how boring Minecraft was.

Aye. That it was.