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TBQFH, nothing in game, as if something goes wrong I know it is my fault and just deal with it..

If is things like THIS THREAD which kind of piss me off.  People who come and spew walls of text bashing a game, before they have taken the time to actually learn about what they are bashing.

Actually, the thread which complain about criticism are generally far worse, not to mention more common.  I seriously don't get how an inoffensive post like the one you linked to could possibly be upsetting



Posts that complain about posts that complain that some posters complain are even worse though 

On the other hand, most other forums don't feature incessant back-patting about how smart and superior they are.

What are these pokomons you speak of?

I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this in the three pages I didn't read of the topic, but here's my two cents.

The community would be what it is now if the game were easy to pick up. All of us here are relatively clever, hard working, willing to press on through incredibly hard situations and open minded. This is because to play DF you need to be all of these things. You need to be open minded just to play the game in the first place, you need to be able to press on through your first siege and countless lost forts, you need to be hard working to get anywhere in the game and need to be clever to understand it. If it wasn't for these natural obstacles out community would be the MW forums or the Halo forums, a gibbering mess of twelve year olds screaming in text speak.

You forgot modest

Well, I don't think the difficulty of getting into the game is the same difficulty (or lack thereof) that older players complains about.

The difficulty for a new player is to understand the game interface, how to tell dwarves to do X or Y, how to master the basic features (farming, stockpiles etc.)

The difficulty that older player want is - most of the time - at the end of the game : harder siege, stronger HFS, less productive farming, and so on. Few of these things become relevant before the fort has reached a good size (80ish dwarves), so they don't concern new players : by the time they have a fort this big, most of them have a pretty frim grasp on how to play.

What this man said.  The problem is that the game gets easier and easier, instead of the other way around

I'll show some of my experience - someone relatively new to the game (although he likes to frequently refer to how old school a gamer he is) read a post talking about aquifers, misunderstood what was being said, and so immediately jumped onto the Suggestion Forum to argue against something he completely misunderstood about the game.  After being corrected, he then blamed Toady for him not understanding the game even though the misunderstanding had nothing to do with the game itself, but what he read in a forum post.  See here: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=61318.msg1394289#msg1394289

Funny, I see something completely different when I read that thread. 

I remember toady saying that he would implement multi tile trees? Then I faintly remember him talking about how he would use them to build cities in the trees for elves.

I can confirm he did, but I'm not sure where.  Possibly he mentioned it in a DF talk

How about both?

Necroing this slightly instead of making a new thread to ask some questions.

-Does this fix work with the new version at all?
-Does this require a regen?

I'm asking because I added this to the raws and it doesn't seem to work