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You are putting words in my mouth. I never dismissed Ukrainians fighting for their lives and country as barbaric and insane. You are overgeneralizing.
I just draw a line at the use of cluster munitions, and other weapons deemed inhumane by treaties and conventions.
If I didn't we could all just as well say fuck all, become Russian right now and have it done with.

To clarify, you think that the command structure of the Ukrainian military and the ranking relevant Ukrainian politicians are insane?

Luckily, no. Just the one or two idiots that thought it a good idea to ask for cluster munitions.

No, I think there's a very fraught but very sane calculation going on here about the long term costs of cluster munitions and the short term costs of not using them. And I think your dismissal of that calculation as insane and barbaric comes from a very overly comfortable place where you know that neither you nor your loved ones are in danger either way.

If this conflict escalates, I will be very much in danger, living within 100% lethal range of even a small nuke on a strategically very important NATO airport, not to mention the close proximity of the military base where the Netherlands 'totally does not store US nukes until it was admitted by government that we actualy *do* have nukes there'.

Yet you're right, at the moment my country is not being destroyed, my family is not being killed, I do not have wives or children that can be raped to death, so I am indeed in a comfortable, albeit not overly so place.
I am however a descendant of holocaust survivors. I know the insanity of war and mass destruction by authoritarian regimes. I have every reason to want Russia to be defeated.
But I still will call cluster munitions barbaric and insane.

I dunno man, we don't have things like a Geneva convention and treaties to ban cluster munitions and anti personell mines for no reason.

Don't get me wrong. I understand the plight of the people of Ukraine. And I stand with them. Fuck the Russian invading fuckers, make them all die.
 But that is no carte blanche to say 'fuck all international rules and treaties about warfare'. Like, not at all.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Besides, despite the discomfort of the average Ukrainan as his country is destroyed, his family killed, and his wife and children raped to death, I don't think any Ukrainian would like the solution to that to be that their children, grand children, great grand children and their respective dogs and cats can be randomly blown to bits by the remnants of wars of eras past. Because that's exactly what cluster munitions do.

Let's just say that over here, they are banned and viewed as a great evil. One of our biggest banks was almost destroyed when people quit their accounts en masse, because they invested some of their funds in cluster munitions.

Also, and well yeah, because the USA and Ukraine did not sign the treaty against cluster munitions, your countries are seen as barbaric failed states by a lot of people, not much better than Afghanistan or Best Korea. For some, Best Korea is more civilized than the USA, because even though both have nuclear, biological, chemical weapons and cluster munitions, at least in Best Korea civilians do not have guns.

Great. The Russian nazi fucktards hit a school in Serhiivka, Donetsk. Two female school teachers died, and 6 were injured.
I hope the fucking retards who did that will get killed in very slow ways. I hope they scream and gurgle for at least 2 hours before dying.

EDIT: Meanwhile, the USA is contemplating committing war crimes, by supplying Ukraine with internatially banned cluster bomb ammo, to drive the Russians from their trenches and fortified positions. (Cluster munitions are banned, because using them means that 20 years from now, toddlers playing in the sand will still get blown to shreds by the remnants of those fuckers. That shit is worse than anti personell landmines).

In Malawi, after 10 years of being banned, 1200 children are finally allowed to go to school again.
For 10 years the Rastafari community in Malawi has gone to from court to higher court, and they finally won: Rastafari are now allowed to go to school with dreadlocks.
For 10 years, Rastafari children were not allowed to go to school unless they cut their dreadlocks, which is a no-go in rastafari religion.
It's like telling a muslim or a jew he is not allowed to go to school unless they eat porc.

Now a supreme court ruled in their favour, and schools can no longer require kids to cut that hair.

I can only imagine how weird is going to be for a bunch of 15-16 year olds to go to Kintergarten and primary school for the first time.

According to the Telegraph, one of the reasons Wagner backed down was because their leader's families were being threatened by the FSB.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/06/25/yevgeny-prigozhin-moscow-advance-putin-threat-wagner-family/

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