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G'day Toady. Happy Easter, I hope all is well.
Would you please consider the following questions:

Is the current cordial treatment of intelligent-undead and experiments by the living-aligned and red-blooded as intended, or will they begin to be expelled by societies (with particular ethics) in the continuation of villains work?

Is there a difference in how demi-god characters will play / be treated if their patron is the target of a non-reformed or reformed religion? (i.e. with or without organised temples and priests)

Are there no item retrieval missions if a demi-god character is created at year 1 (due to no relics having been yet created in world-gen history), or might there be new collectables?

Thanks.

I do like the abductions that the night creatures perform. I think it's quite a compelling concept for a narrative.
I'd argue that's a distinct idea from the suggestion, but I think think it could be expanded to the preexisting behaviour of the night creatures.
Actually, I think it could be expanded to any intelligent creature, beyond the semi-mega beasts and night creatures.
In essence, this was more of a 'more reasons for more actors to perform more abductions' suggestion, which indeed is quite general and doubtlessly will eventuate.
Despite that, I still think it's fun to suggest.

On that note, it would be interesting to see night creatures abduct for reasons other than producing a mate. They could definitely do with a few housekeepers to sweep up and keep the cauldron boiling. Maybe a few plump children caged up for supper.

I'm uncertain if necromancers currently abduct people. I vaguely recall something about experimentation and minions. Maybe that was corpses only. I don't know if that means they abduct a single person, experiment once, and then gain the ability to summon these minions, or if it's a 1:1 conversion. I'd hope it was the latter as it'd mean more interaction with the environment.

Of course, cultists, demons and vampires should perhaps abduct for sacrifice and torture and the like, but that seems far more sinister than the fairy tale-esque motives above. Especially as it doesn't leave much room for follow-up, such as a rescue, etc.

I realise this is a late submission, so I don't mind if a response is in next months batch.
I was inspecting the images on an artifact my dwarf had created and thought:

Will we see coherent multi-scene images across engravings or other depictions in the myth update, similar to how coherent, story like events will be used to construct a mythology?

I get that systems like this are planned to enter the game eventually. Really, I thought of asking the question as the myth system seemed like it could be multipurpose in that way, although admittedly, I understand very little about how any of these systems would work.
I imagine something like repeated use of particular icons, or after mentioning a list of various independent images a concluding statement that the scene depicts a particular site or event.

Only historical figures have information about their parents, and even in that case, this information may be missing because the parent(s) isn't itself a historical figure.

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Ah, that's what I initially expected. Thanks for the clarification.
I was somewhat thrown off by these comments, taken from the transcript, referring to civilisations in world gen:

It's like 'pick a bunch of spots that are kind of good for say a goblin or a human and then pop twenty of them down and then just let them breed and build cities and spread at that point'.  ... the game avoids certain inbreeding; you should never have brothers with brothers - I'm sorry, that's not even going to lead to a long line - I meant brothers and sisters, and half-brothers and half-sisters. It should avoid those, it should avoid parents and children

I thought to myself "What? Does the game really simulate every generation! (In the way of creating a lineage of genes for every family, rather than say, names and personalities for every individual)"

However, a historical figure has to be generated with some genes, so I would assume some kind of algorithm is used to generate the genes based on some pool (which presumably would be the genes of those 20 individuals), rather than actually generating a family tree for however many generations have passed since the start of time. The difference would be that a first generation hist fig might somehow get genes from more than two of the founders (but was the civ really founded in year 1, or was it just recorded at that time?).

This is the part I'm interested in, really. At the risk of having asked too many questions:
What determines what genes an individual can have? Is there a single gene pool available for members of a civilisation, or many? Or are gene pools more granular and differ based on site/ other entities?

Previously when you had shown the hyperlinks, figures and entities were coloured according to their kind.
Does this colouring carry over to statue and engraving descriptions in fortress mode?
Do functional hyperlinks?

Great idea.

I do imagine some difficulty navigating through a list that's receiving tens to hundreds of updates a second though. But that may just a problem in my imagination.

Related to that same point, judging by the last sentence in the devlog, world generation might need to be paused to enable timely player interaction (in the mythy-much-later update).
That's probably remedied with a pause and play button, with pause on by default.

My initial reaction is that the coloured text would be harder to read when surrounded by a contrasting border, but I think it works quite well:

Answer you may be looking for is [LOCAL_POPS_PRODUCE_HEROES]

I think that may answer my second question.

...gremlins however as the only intentional "intelligent" pet...

At the time, I was satisfied with attempting to keep them on-site as a hostile force. Army was more a euphemism for attempting to weaponise them.

@kontako:
Your questions are inconsistent:

Other than the omission of 'semi', I don't particularly note an inconsistency

Funnily enough, i feel some of these questions might have been spurred by a recent kruggsmash video in modded settings and the renewed interest around this bug-report on what happens when babies drop not belonging to your fort.

Spoiler: "relevant vid spoilers - TLDW" (click to show/hide)

A pregnant 'ogre' creature native underground is captured by the tribe of humans, and the baby becomes the leader of that particular civ for some inexplicable reason of inheritence. Id have to probe the mod for more details on what exact tokens, but semi-intelligents are meant to be denied from holding positions so it leans in that it was full intelligent or rule out whether krugg engineered this situation especially with dfhack/modding, which is a possibility.

It's the first I've seen either of these, there must be a real bad case of Baader-Meinhof syndrome going around because it seems as if the answer to that question is everywhere.
The attempt I mentioned was almost a year ago now, though I've been putting off asking about it as I thought it was a particularly strange question