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Do you have any stairs linking ypour shooting gallery to the rest of your fortress? Dwarves can see hostiles on different z levels if they are near a staircase. The same applies to ramps and channels.

This must be it, I guess. It's definitely not even close to a realistic line of sight but whatever. The goblins are 2-5 tiles from fortifications which themselves are 7 tiles from the stairs. But it is that same staircase that connects to all the guys that were disturbed. Some of the disturbed guys were 10 floors up and even a little ways from the stairs. But I guess that's DF geometry. 

Usually when I find my marksdwarves refuse to train with archery targets, its because the direction is not right.

to be thorough:
 make a target
 make a room from the target
 pick a direction (using "awds" it should say "shooting from left to right" or something) <-- this step is my #1 cause for refusal to train
 then - / + to the squad you want to train there and "t". Should show a light blue T next to their squad's name

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Yeah, I've tried these things. Thanks though. I can get one guy to do archery practice every now and then but that's it (it's not always the same guy and it's quite rare). All the target directions are solid. There's a blue T next to the squad name, etc. I've tried it with just one target designated as a room that encompasses all the targets and I've tried it with each target designated as a room. I've tried it with small rooms in case there was a max range and I've tried it with large rooms in case there was a min. I've given them numerous move orders. Tried assigning lots of bolts or just a few. I've made sure that there's no forbidden bolts on the stocks screen. I've let them use any bolt so they don't fall prey to the classic wrong-bolt-so-I'm-paralyzed bug. I've taken them off duty for a while and then back on. No luck.

I can get them to spar like any other squad though but this only builds their hammer skill.

I often find that most of them don't have any ammo though. Yet they do have the green symbol next to the ammo types in the military ammo screen as if it's equipped. I wait and wait but they just stand around with empty quivers.

I can't train them as hunters because I've long since eradicated all wildlife. So there are no hunters to take ammo away from soldiers and there is no ammo assigned to these non-existent hunters. But when I did have hunters, they leveled up on wildlife quite quickly.

I haven't tried disbanding the squad yet. I guess I'll try that. Thanks for the suggestion.

No one walks by. It's just the marksdwarves and the goblins down on that floor. Everyone else is at least a few floors away. Some are 20 tiles from a stair that's 10 floors above. Maybe they're bothered by the distant sound of goblin screams.

Quote from: Edges on February 03, 2012, 03:33:50 pm

But would war and/or siege account for their disappearance from the c screen?

No.  Being at war with a civilization doesn't cause it to disappear from the c screen, and having sieges at your fortress doesn't cause civilizations to disappear from the c screen.  In fact, as far as I can tell, nothing can cause a civilization to disappear from the c screen.  If you can reproduce this behavior reliably, I'd like to see before and after screens, or a save of a game where it's happened.

Well, I don't intend on starting a new fortress for a while.

Are old saves preserved or written over? I have assumed that unless you go out of your way to save elsewhere, that they aren't preserved. In which case, I can't get you a before and after.

The first time happened with the dwarves. They stopped coming after about 5 years. No traders, liaisons, or migrants. I checked the c screen and dwarves were missing. I searched around on this forum and discovered that quite a few people had experienced it. The main explanation people gave was extinction. I abandoned that and a later fort for this reason. When it happened in my current fort with humans, I thought I'd start this thread rather than abandon again.

So I don't know what to say. Apparently, others have experienced it.

Really!? It's happened to me in about a third of the fortresses I've had. Usually it's the dwarves that dissappear but in this case it's the humans. I could show you a screenshot of the c screen I guess. But that wouldn't confirm that they traded with me in the beginning. Could you settle for my word on it?

Is there some explanation other than extinction for why caravan's stop coming coinciding with a disappearance of the corresponding civilization on the c screen? I've always given huge profits to the traders. So I couldn't imagine it would be that they are upset.

I don't know anything about programming, but based off of the apparent pattern, I should replace [ACTIVE_SEASON:AUTUMN] with [ACTIVE_SEASON:AUTUMN:SUMMER] in the region's save file.

Is this correct?

Quote from: Edges on February 01, 2012, 03:12:32 am

Quote from: MarcAFK on February 01, 2012, 03:02:39 am

You could dig down to the first cavern layer, then you'll get trees spawning on every underground dirt tile.
I suppose digging much further would be easier if you don't mind the FB's etc.

I did that actually. Those trees grow awfully slowly too. I have a whole bunch of underground saplings. So maybe someday my dreams will come true. There's only one layer of soil here (not counting the surface). And I use a 3x2 embark to keep my Jurassic computer's FPS reasonable. So the arboretum is limited.

You can also start an underground tree farm by getting stone wet.

I did not know that. Thanks for the tip. I presume it only works for rough stone?

OK. Problem solved. I'm an idiot. His neighbors started getting thirsty. I checked more closely. When I built a floor to seal the cavern below, it took out the stairs on that level. I didn't realize it would do that. So I sealed up a floor of bedrooms.

Thanks for the help guys.