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Quote from: Urist_McDrowner on August 08, 2012, 01:00:30 am

I've been offering their merchants wooden trade goods and then killing all but one to go spread the word (my own superstition, probably doesn't do anything), to try and get them to get out here.

Interestingly, that's less effective at getting them angry - if you want to get the maximum penalty, you must ensure that either they "were never heard from again" (i.e. kill them all) or that they "suffered great hardships" (i.e. kill/injure some of them) and either "reported a seizure of goods" (seize stuff) or "reported irregularities with their goods" (e.g. deconstruct the depot). Offering them wooden items will actually make them less angry than stealing their goods (though if you do both, they'll only report the theft).

Different historical events have inter-civilization happiness modifiers - a worst-case merchant visit ("never heard from again") gives -12 (a successful visit is +2, hardships reduce that by 7, item loss reduces it by 7 more, and being offended reduces it by 5 BUT only if there was no item loss), and the loss of a diplomat gives -20.

After every siege I got some caged goblins or trolls, some corpses, many clothes, weapons, shields, helms, breastplates, and body parts. Siege comes every season, before the dwarves collect the items of last siege.
So I need some advice.

1. How to make sure the prisoners are disarmed?
Is there a way to distinguish the dumped/death-dropped weapons and the wearing ones? They both show an F in the stock screen.
Now I designate a random goblin to be pit into the barrack and keep an eye on the animal stockpile, on the way a dwarf drag it to the barrack, 'v' it and check its inventory. It's boring.

2. How to separate the metal items from the clothes?
I don't need the clothes, so it's better to keep them forbidden. But I want to reclaim the metals and melt them.
Plan a: I designate reclaim, dump, melt on the battle ground. The problem is the metals are remain in the entrance until a furnace operator picks it, which makes melting items unsafe and inefficient.
Plan b: Reclaim and dump all the items near the smelter. The problem is dwarves waste a lot of work hauling the clothes.
Plan c: Reclaim the items, and waiting for dwarves to haul them info the right stockpile. So a dwarf can haul a bin of clothes rather than dump them one by one. But since the items are not forbidden, some poor peasants would claim and wear an ugly loincloth.
Plan d: Magma. I will do this as soon as I have enough silver.

3. Does the dwarve always prefer an above ground garbage dump to an subterranean one?
It's my fought to make the battleground under ground. But the stupid dwarves haul the troll corpses a long way to my backyard, where I make a small above ground garbage dump for rotten kea men and 'trained' goblin parts. I don't want to make a garbage dump outside the front door as it may be very dangerous.

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Quote from: penguinofhonor on August 07, 2012, 11:55:41 pm

I wonder if we're ever going to get a tobacco equivalent in the game. Then we can do Cigarette Fortress.

/probably a significantly less fun idea

Lung Cancer Fortress

Yellow teeth fortress.

Talkin'-through-a-tube Fortress.

Quote pyramid fortress.

Quote from: dhokarena56 on July 19, 2012, 11:46:51 am

I'm not exactly thrilled by the logical conclusion of this- wars in the vicinity of my fortress sending untold numbers of refugee migrants to live with me. But it is realistic.

That's what strong gates, fortified walls and heavily armed marksdwarves are for.  Dwarves don't need to be supportive of immigration or sympathetic towards refugees.