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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread: D. C. on summer break
« on: August 15, 2017, 10:09:19 am »
Hell no I won't chill out. Seriously, explain to me the difference between defending the Confederates because your Grampa caught a Yankee bullet, and me defending the Wehrmacht because surely my Grandfather, having grown up during the Depression and under Nazi rule, couldn't possibly have been part of something evil.

This is not a rhethorical question - that's a real example. And yes, I know what regiment they were in, and yes, I know where they're buried - in my parents' village. They made it home alive and in one piece, thank God.

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread: D. C. on summer break
« on: August 15, 2017, 10:00:44 am »
Shut the fuck up. My family's from Virginia. I can list by name my ancestors who died in the civil war, their relatives who died in the civil war, which battle they died at, and where they're buried. If you want me to drop the "faux tears," you should drop the high and mighty liberal shit. Of course I don't approve of racists waving confederate flags, but at least they're not giving war memorials the Saddam treatment.

Maybe you're not shedding a tear because you care more about self-flagellating for other people's racism than you do about your own goddamn history.

Wait, so it's okay now for me to claim the Wehrmacht wasn't all that bad, because one of my grandfathers spent the war dropping bombs on Russian cities, and another one spent quite a bit of time in a special unit* that didn't exactly fight clean? Should I maybe put up a Göring statue in my front yard?

I'll go one step further than RedKing: Fuck your tears, whatever their origin. The confederates were literally worse than Saddam, so it's only good and proper to give them the Saddam treatment - regardless of whether the crotch to which you trace your lineage belonged to a slave owner or just a fellow doing the dirty work for them. Fuck heritage, fuck ancestry, fuck honoring the dead, if it means developing selective moral blindness and not acknowledging what happened in the past. Just like we make mistakes and own up to them, we should accept that our ancestors made mistakes - and even if they did not own up to them, we at least are still alive to do just that.

Why is it important to remember them as Confederate soldiers, as opposed to remembering them as your forebears?




*The Brandenburger, in case anyone cares. He claimed he never shot anyone, but he did have stories about using Soviet uniforms and conducting counter-partisan operations, with one soldier every ten meters forming a line and advancing through the woods... And there were things he did not talk about, ever.

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General Discussion / Re: Food Thread: Kitchen Chemistry
« on: August 15, 2017, 09:40:30 am »
They consider boiled vegetables proper food.

They don't even put salt in the water.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« on: August 15, 2017, 09:38:01 am »
As someone whom Google gives the news of Western Europe first and those of the US second, I'm afraid I'll have to let you in on a secret: It's not the whole world. It's pretty much just you guys and a bunch of civil war countries.

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General Discussion / Re: Armchair General General - /AGG
« on: August 15, 2017, 09:27:29 am »
Global communications, at least on a basic level, should be very easy to keep up. Building a radio is actually simple as shit, you just have to know how - and that knowledge is widespread enough to survive. Similar considerations apply for many other electronic devices. Modern cryptography, too, can in principle be done by hand or with just a primitive calculator, which means that sensitive information could still be relayed quickly over large distances.

Similarly, vehicles not dependent on fossil fuel - think bicycles, rollerblades - are (relatively) easy to make and use, and give a great advantage over even Napoleonic times. Chemistry on a 19th century level will stick around, too, up to and including primitive antibiotics. Germ theory, too, is something that makes life much easier without requiring advanced materials or long supply chains. Easy steel making, knowledge about alloys, techniques like employing sacrificial anodes for preventing corrosion: All there, all easy-ish even after the collapse. Modern crops will still be around, together with the knowledge of fertilization and soil chemistry - and that's not even considering the fact that you could definitely get farming equipment to run on wood instead of oil products.


It'll take us a while - say, fifty years - to once again send satellites to orbit, or produce computers like our modern ones, or put together fighter jets, rockets, aircraft carriers. But once the radiation dies down and you've gotten used to not being able to contact your friends on the other side of the earth, it'll be relatively fine. Hell, at least in Western Europe there will be a strong desire to rebuild the nations as they were before, due to them being largely defined via language and ethnicity, so larger government structures will assemble quickly, and with them, reliable trade over long distances will resume. Add that to the fact that the European populace is on average much more well-educated than that of the not-First world, and I'd wager you'd have a fair chance of seeing colonialist patterns resume after a few decades as we once again try to suck the oil out from under the Arabs.
Seriously? You used ~100 Mt as realistic yield for nuclear strike?

This kind of post is fairly unconstructive. It doesn't convey whether that's too low or too high, or give any idea of what you think a more reasonable number would be. In fact, the only information it conveys is that you disagree with LW, and that you consider it appropriate to belittle him (although you have not, in fact, provided any explanation as to why you are more correct than he is). It's neither polite nor helpful enough to cover over the rudeness.
Actually it's quite clear that 100 Mt is too much*, and it's also highly improbable that LW doesn't know that, so it's a perfectly reasonable calling-out of laziness or knowing exaggeration on LW's part.
Even if it was not clear that 100 Mt is too much, it's still pretty much self-evident that not all nukes would be of the same size. You really don't have to know all that much about nuclear weapons or nuclear strategy to realize it's a bad map. Not that it's easy to come up with a good one, but he should've at least slapped on a disclaimer 'very rough approximation' or something.

*Especially considering that pretty much all the nuke-owning countries are moving to smaller bombs that are delivered more precisely.

E: Damn ninjas.

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Eh, a couple nukes do not the end of humanity make.

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Same here.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: August 10, 2017, 10:06:45 am »
Kazakhstan is easy. Tajikistan is hard.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: August 09, 2017, 07:52:45 pm »
Best vegetable is the artichoke. It's essentially just taste, with no pesky nutrition getting in the way.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« on: August 08, 2017, 01:38:07 pm »
You lose a Monday too, though, so that's a plus.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: August 06, 2017, 10:13:19 am »
Cat bomb the land
and boil the sea
You can't take the sky from me
She was fierce, she was cruel
But she pierced me right through
Locked me up, held me tight
I gave up with no fight
[a capello, going from normal to very deep] She put a spell on me

Anybody want to do the second verse?

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« on: August 06, 2017, 06:32:04 am »
What Frumple said.

One question though: You're only $1500 into buying a house, and moving out in four weeks? Seems very little...

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Waitwaitwait, there may be unforeseen opportunities there. What sort of flora and fauna could still survive at these temperatures?

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General Discussion / Re: [???] Eggplant (Happy thread)
« on: August 04, 2017, 03:45:26 pm »
Ah, but that empty space very much serves a narrative purpose, y'know? The thing would lose a lot if it was just the small boxes of text without the vast emptiness in between.

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This might turn out much, much worse for Africa.

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