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Quote from: TempAcc on November 10, 2016, 05:52:28 am

she didnt even give them lip service, not a single reason to hope for better conditions for working class people. Her trajectory in these last months was almost entirely focused on minorities and being better than Trump.

Their usual voterbase was ignored and is now being accused of treachery as mob mentality takes over and everyone seeks to blame someone else, with no sense me solidarity or compassion for fellow americans because their heads are so far up their asses that they actualy believe the insane narrative of everyone who thinks differently being racist, insane and evil as victimism takes over as the favored narrative.

And, y'know, as you mention FD and ree? This? Just about every friggin' line that keeps being rolled out that the dems have somehow abandoned the working class, somehow stopped being compassionate towards their problems, somehow haven't been doing massive goddamn piles of shit to not just give hope for better conditions, but actually goddamn give them?

Congrats. You just pissed on me, and my family. My friends. The people they know, the people those people know. The web of democrats (and independents and every so often lighter red republicans, to be fair, for all that's not really the point right now) from one end of the country to the other that are about the only ones doing a single goddamn thing for this apparently maligned and ignored working class that somehow hasn't spent the last number of decades with democrats being just about the only thing giving them any solid attention, despite that being exactly what has bloody been happening, despite, yes, clinton actually going out over the course of this election and stumping and saying a whole hell of a lot of shit that would have had them perking up and listening if apparently the entire goddamn world didn't have a filter it turned on to make democratic efforts to improve things on that front disappear into the aether.

There's this talk about sneering liberal elites, well. Here we actually are, from my perspective. Y'all are so busy trying to snap at the "regressive left", or sneer at media fuckups you're calling policy and campaign decisions, or continue your own insistence in ignoring everything that happened that didn't fit your narrative, that you are now saying we are not here, we're not fucking doing anything, and we have somehow been spending all this time calling our neighbors racist idiots or whatever the hell (hint: What the hell? No. Beyond everything else, we're well aware that could get us shot.). That somehow clinton's policy and regular mention of working conditions, working class issues, and so on, and so forth, never actually existed. Usual voter base ignored, as if just about the entire goddamn list of policy and probably half the shit that actually came out of clinton's mouth didn't have that voter base right in its bloody crosshairs.

I'm still not quite sure how that sodding works. But again, apparently much of my experience to date has been hallucination. That's what folks calling themselves left wing keep saying. Somehow it's the impression a lot of the working class gets, too, which I still haven't bloody figured out but at least they've been consistent enough about it I guess they have an excuse.

Lip service. Yeah. There's not at least fifty or sixty years of "lip service" out there, apparently. That policy list that consisted almost entirely of it never existed. Every time clinton mentioned the working class or shit that effected them over the course of this years campaign didn't happen! Somehow. I swear, the more this post election discussion goes (not just here, but in a lot of places), the most frustrating this is getting. I can tell yeh, there definitely is someone and something getting ignored here, and it's not the voter base and not just the left in general that's doing it (not that the right's any better, mind, obviously enough).

I'd just like to repeat one more time, though. Fuck the media. With whatever bushel of rusty farm implements you can dig up. More than just about anything those bastards' insistence on ignoring the vast frothing horde of shit that wasn't the latest clickbait bullshit is to blame for what I'm talking about above. There is hate in my heart for the forth estate right now.

The dems (as a collective entity) might have not, but Hillary has literally made herself into the dead, unchanging face of establishment indiference, IE the very thing the dems have opposed for decades on end (until they got into power, I guess, then it got reduced to some more principled people here and there).

Does anyone even have to mention, yet again, that quite a significant portion of liberals was simply forced into voting Hillary, since they had no real option, and that many would probably still be disgruntled about it even if she won by a landslide? I'm not pissing on you or your perceived notion of what the democrat party is (or has become), I'm just baffled that people are surprised that enough people didn't like hillary enough to vote her to the point Trump became elected, and that said result has been caused by anything but the democratic party failing at attending to the hopes of the majority of the american population. Is hillary really the best the dems can put out? Stablishment avatar incarnate that is inseparable from Bill? Lady "I defend X people but not Y"?

Look, I get your angle, and I can't say much in regards to your experience asa citizen since I'm not american, but we have come to this point in previous arguments before: the nation isn't composed entirely of the part of society you have more direct contact with. Many people were, still are and will be disilusioned with the democrat party, or at least what it has transformed itself into nowadays, things have come to the point that people have clearly shown that they don't feel represented anymore, and this result is a cry for help from those people. They're trapped in a country in which they feel nobody capable of having significant political influence represents them. Of course, one could say that this is Hillary's failure more so than the democrat party, but they're not out of the woods either.

Either the democrat party reinvents itself (and the entire american left, to an extent, as well), or it is doomed to fail if Trump does anything other than fail so hard that people will be more willing to embrace a diseased body than another republican, because as days go by, this is what the american left is presenting itself as: a mean, unjustly agressive, childish, dismissive diseased creature.

I do not claim right now that this is a continuation of what FD or Reelya has said, as this is only my opinion, and it doesnt come in a mean spirited fashion or as a way to piss people off, but as genuine concern and empathy, because I come from a country in which the left has long abandoned any serious pretense of fighting for the working class man, and has become a corrupt body laden with nothing but self interest, hunger for power and real, proven disgust for anyone who's not included in its pseudo intellectual bubble, SPECIALLY if its working class people, ironically. What we can observe in post election days is an explosion of outright contempt for anyone who didn't really Hillary in office or even just expressed concern at the fact, and very few attempts (or willingness to make such attempts) to conciliate a nation that was already divided, on both sides, and this is specially worrying

:v I didn't mean it like that, you dweeb, I meant that updating your projects and talking to people is a gud thing. I love ye.
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Hey, some people are into gerontophilia and necrophilia.

How is that a sads?

Its also generally considered, uh, fairly undemocractic to stab the election's winner.

Also, forum guidelines are kind of taken as a given in any discussion that takes place in this forum, for obvious reasons.

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