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To Vector:please tell me this is a joke. we need you to be active, not to make an admitted bandwagon vote with no justification! get in here and do something, this was possibly the single scummiest possible response you could have made to Vector.
I'm guessing you want my views. Well, it looks like everyone's piling on Shinigami, by skimming through all the posts and I might as well vote for Shingami_King. No offense man (or woman), just wanna get a vote in so I do something.
I know this is horrible playing, and I'm sorry.
It's interesting that you removed the quote from this section. did you want to avoid having people look at the bit about "excitement of the hunt", something that you hadn't been displaying?
Lenglon:You dont seem all that excited so far, getting bored?I assume you're referring to my attempt to cut down the number or random excited posts I make compared to magic mafia. Yeah, that caused problems that I want to fix (seeing 16 pages they have to read to get back up to speed seems to turn off some players).
I hope this answers your question. Also, you claim to ask about jailkeeper, but the question is really about mafia, and how I would play one. Why all these questions about mafia? Is something on your mind? The next time you want me to explain what I would do in a particular situation with a particular role, try to make up a situation where I have that role. Note the question that you asked actually gave you next to no details about jailkeepers themselves and was merely an exercise of thought. It was a bad question for your purpose and didn't answer your original query.Actually I was mostly trying to point out that Jailer can be used to confirm cop claims, which is something you had never mentioned. I do admit it was a bad question though, and as proven by captain ford's answer one that didn't even serve my original purpose of figuring out where someone would jump in WIFOM apparently. I guess I should have put more thought into the thing. oh, and the whole "is something on your mind?" ?question? vector already asked that, stop wasting space.
Lenglon:the way Shinigami used "Both" assumed that one of us was scum, that was the entire basis for my vote, and i'd been hoping to see some kind of pressure reaction... which didn't happen.GriffionDay- Trying to be friends with the IC eh? Well would you explain why? There is no reason truly to support her seeing as she isn't really that pressured here. It seems like you just want a future friend to give you a get out of jail card. I am going to agree with ranger here and say what are the chances of both Lenglon and myself were the last townies to both be scum. I can guarantee you that, that is not the case. That of course would require you to take my word for it but seriously. What are the chances. When I finish my homework I will make a nice beutifully long post about this seeing as that is what everyone wants. Until then Ciao~Shinigami: Is that a confession?Shinigami: the reason I voted you was simple. that quote assumed that one of us was scum, and I know it's not me. It looked a lot like a slip to me, an accidental confession of being scum.Desperate to distance yourself? I ask because you explain your vote as based on Shinigami assuming one of you must be scum, but the section you quoted simply doesn't assume that at all.
Lenglon: Leaning scummy. He's (She's? Oh well. I'll say he this post. If I'm wrong, correct me so I get it right forever more.) questioned me repeatedly about the role of jailkeeper, but his questions seem like they're trying to find information about mafia, not what he's actually talking about. I do think that he also made a mistake over-generalizing a question meant to be specific, but it's hard to tell if this is newb or scum play. Short of his interaction with Vector, and limited interaction with you, (all of which he DIDN"T initiate), he hasn't pressed anyone yet. I haven't really pressed anyone yet either, so I can't condemn him for this, but I do think my posts have been more pressing then his. (Apart from his with Vector, of course.) His posts directed at Vector did seem, if not completely UMGUS, along those lines. He over-reacted, plain and simple. His tendency to not address accusations in statement form, instead of question form, also worries me. Why wouldn't he want to clear up those accusations?she, but I try not to be picky
For me the draw of mafia is mostly the social aspect. It's an interesting experience as you can't very well expect to win if you come into a game with notions of who must be scum (with the exception of wuba) but on the other hand you have to judge people. I love the fight to determine who is scum and then to convince everyone else that you have a valid target. On the other hand I could see being mafia being an interesting challenge, having to keep yourself invisible, while at the same time trying to manipulate other people into agreeing with you... I could see that being equally as exciting as the hunt.You dont seem all that excited so far, getting bored?
-snip, this part is addressed to shinigami. link is intact if you want to check-You are accusing Shinigami of playing to prejudices and acting like he doesn't know what he's doing, right after acknowledging that he really doesn't know what he's doing. and you're acting like it's a scumtell. you know better than that. please explain this.
You: Leaning Scum; with the previous read in mind your actions appear to be buddying Lenglon and providing a smokescreen for him by attacking his primary critic without reason, and then lobbing him a couple softball questions to help him get back on track. Even if I make the assumption that Lenglon isn't scum; I still see your attack on Vector as suspicious because you actively disrupted someone's scum hunt while accusing them of disrupting yours. You admit to this being your first time through RVS and feel justified in accusing somone else of playing this part of the game wrong...
GriffionDay- Trying to be friends with the IC eh? Well would you explain why? There is no reason truly to support her seeing as she isn't really that pressured here. It seems like you just want a future friend to give you a get out of jail card. I am going to agree with ranger here and say what are the chances of both Lenglon and myself were the last townies to both be scum. I can guarantee you that, that is not the case. That of course would require you to take my word for it but seriously. What are the chances. When I finish my homework I will make a nice beutifully long post about this seeing as that is what everyone wants. Until then Ciao~Shinigami: Is that a confession?
Lenglon:the trick here is that the cop has already claimed a result from the night. odds on something as suspicious as a day1 cop claim would be confirmed by the jailer... by jailing him and seeing what he reports. since being jailed doesn't give you a notification, but having your cop investigate does, odds on if there is a jailer in the setup (only a 50-50 chance) he would use it on the cop, and if the cop reports a investigate result, you lynch him. so what you do is fakeclaim jailer, say you jailed the claimed cop, and that the cop is lying scum. easy lynch. when he flips town, you simply call him an idiot, and say that he probably panicked when he didn't get a result. make sure your most expendable mafiasco makes the claim because it's a really high-risk play. if there really was a jailer, and he counter-claims, then you have just successfully learned the identities of all the town power-roles, and you still have a chance to cause a mislynch by calling the cop and jailer combo the scumteam. after this your remaining mafiasco just needs a strong daygame and you'll be in the clear since you know who the power roles are and the jailer can't protect themselves.
No I've not forgotten about you,Pup: ok, you want a situation, how about the same RVS question I asked captain ford:Same question right back at you. Why would fakeclaiming a jailer be a valid option? It seems like a stupid option to me; as that will lead to a counter claim or being locked away by the real jailer.Captain: final hypothedical. you are mafia. it is night 1. on day 1 a bandwagon was forming on a townie. they claimed cop. do you NK the claimed cop or someone else? if someone else, the following day the cop claims to have investigated a random townie and found them clean. do you fakeclaim jailer?since you claim to have put thought into the jailer role, why is fakeclaiming jailer a valid option in this situation?
You seem to be avoiding noticing that you're being buddied (something appears VERY scum to me). What is your read on Shinigami? Are you two REALLY that bad of a scum team that we know both of you before the day even technically starts?My read on shinigami is possible scum. He's buddying me pretty thouroughly, but it doesn't feel like scum buddying. It feels like he's looking out for me because of the shared situation we were in last game, and the fact that we ended up buddying each other in that game too, with good cause, but it's of course possible that he's scum trying to win allies for later on, or give himself an alibi assuming I get lynched. The reason I'm giving him benefit of doubt is I have trouble envisioning a scum IC that would let him keep it up for this long without telling him that what he's doing is going to get himself lynched.
that wasn't shinigami who said that. that was me. dont do this again, ever. it's really scummy to lie in quotes. why did you feel the need to steal words from someone else to pressure shinigami? it's not like he wasn't under pressure already.Quote from: Shinigami_Kinghow on earth is over-answering a question evading it?
Giving too much information increases the static to noise ratio, and can be considered an attempt to confuse the reader into misinterpreting what you are trying to say; hiding in plain sight, as it were.
If you find this suspicious, why arn't you pressuring those people? You're saying that unspecified people are acting scummy but not acting on it. that kind of psudo-activity is scummy in of itself. please, back up your statement here. who were you talking about in that quote?Quote from: Shinigami_KingDemdemeh- I don't understand what you are saying when you say that
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On the other hand, your point is very good on other being able to hide while this argument is going on
. After joining this discussion haven't I painted a target on myself? Yeah, just wondering.
I wasn't specifically referring to you with this statement. Others have been far quieter, and have spoken little except with regards to you and Lenglon. You have at least been responding, and have been front and center with the discussion, so hiding isn't a scumtell that could be attributed to you.
Captain: final hypothedical. you are mafia. it is night 1. on day 1 a bandwagon was forming on a townie. they claimed cop. do you NK the claimed cop or someone else? if someone else, the following day the cop claims to have investigated a random townie and found them clean. do you fakeclaim jailer?since you claim to have put thought into the jailer role, why is fakeclaiming jailer a valid option in this situation?
Lenglon:I broadened the question because the smaller version sorry, shinigami didn't make sense. I figured i'd avoid having to answer the same question over and over by just making it as general-form as possible. And you can see how well that worked out
Repeats? Really?
Yes, we both pointed out that you over thought an answer to a question that should have been simple. My beef though is that you answered the wrong question altogether.
My first point I want you to address is based on a completely different reading of what Shinigami said:Who will you use it in this RVS?Vector seems to have read this as "Who will you use it on in this RVS?" while I read it as "How will you use it during this RVS". You answered "You are scum; how will you play this game?". Why did you broaden the question rather than just answer his question as it is?
You missed entirely my point that you were attempting to act town rather than scum hunt.
Lenglon: Vector is pushing you pretty hard. Is there a good reason you can give for how evasive you've been with your answers?and now i'm being evasive apparently. how on earth is over-answering a question evading it?
I'll quickly post where it ended for you, then read the whole thing over again, to see of I missed anything.If you'll take a look at the timestamps, those two posts were within seconds of each other. Vector wasn't responding to me there.-snip-This post followed by ...-snip-
Asking for gameplay advice the way you're accusing me of would be stupid. each of those questions were to see how people react to WIFOM inducing situations, a decent case could be made for going either way in each of them.Griffinpup: Although being godfather would confuse the cop, acting scummy in play would still get his vote on you. A cop would only fully trust his results if the godfather was already dead, or if the result was: Target is Mafia. Godfather can only give you a bit of wiggle room, not a free pass.
Um... OK? I agree with you? Of course you still have to play good. That's a given.-snip-
What more do you want me to say about a jail keeper? HAH FOOLS, JUST TRY TO GET OUT OF YOUR BEDROOMS! There. It's even now.
On a more serious note, I spent what time was deemed necessary to explain my choices. There's very little you can say about a jail keeper that I didn't say. A mafia godfather, on the other hand, is slightly more in depth.
Also, you're one to talk. As my fellow Griffion pointed out, you had 5 out of 7 of your questions be about mafia. It seems like you're nervous not knowing to play mafia very well, and are subtly asking for advise. How about it, scum? Notice how I ended with a question. Perhaps you'll be bothered. :-)
