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9571
I'm assuming you simply cannot have an avatar access the area without permission, nor use powers inside the area without permission. whereas the owner can cause changes at that location at will, without a petition.

Agree - requesting the option to place the spawn point of my moon, or in this case (since there isn't a spawn point i like in existence yet) wait to spawn it until later

reminder ->
I thought you meant each of us on our own planets, since we don't have a shared one right now.

Petition: make a shared world connected to any personalized domains we may or may not have.
Spoiler: Details (click to show/hide)

9572
Another problem is, of course, that any avatars or other things we can directly change/add to have this same fundamental problem.
... i am not aware of us being able to directly modify our avatars at will. each avatar specified so far has had specific abilities and limits included, with the implied limit of anything not listed not being available. have i missed something?

9573
... i still want an example of something you couldn't do. because i'm quite certain with a little creativity the separation between where and what can be ignored.

for example, lets say you ban making the moon into a death star, because you're changing what the moon is, not stuff where the moon is.
so you instead add an imperial army to your moon. you give that army death star plans. you give them... motivation... you make sure your moon has the materials they need. then you hyper-accelerate time on your moon.
you have a death star.

that's why i don't think that limit will do anything, and i was kinda offended that you blew off my question with a simple "it's common sense". if it really were common sense i wouldn't be asking the question.

MAD is applicable, and what finally swayed me, although keep in mind that boredom is likely to negate the effectiveness of MAD.

9574
No, the moons are WHERE we can do anything, not WHAT we can do anything to.
I don't see how the first doesn't cause the second. how do you draw the line between the where and the what? could you give an example of something you couldn't do under where but can under what?
(i am being slowly convinced this is a good idea, it just worries me. i hope I'm not bothering you too much asking for these justifications. i figured you'd prefer it over a no vote with no explanation.)
(Indeed I would.)
Common sense and MAD.
uh, i dont understand what Common Sense (either a concept or an ancient phmphlet, not an action), and Mutually Assured Destruction (again, a concept, not an action) have to do with the topic.

Are you saying the way to tell them apart is common sense (if so, apparently i don't have it, what with the question i just asked), and things will be prevented from getting out of hand via Mutually Assured Destruction?

... i dont like it, i dont think you have enough safeguards, but... well, if it becomes a problem we'll just petition for removal of the things i suppose, as you said earlier when i gave that death star example.

you'll get my vote when your idea comes up.

9575
No, the moons are WHERE we can do anything, not WHAT we can do anything to.
I don't see how the first doesn't cause the second. how do you draw the line between the where and the what? could you give an example of something you couldn't do under where but can under what?

(i am being slowly convinced this is a good idea, it just worries me. i hope I'm not bothering you too much asking for these justifications. i figured you'd prefer it over a no vote with no explanation.)

9576
I thought you meant each of us on our own planets, since we don't have a shared one right now.

Petition: make a shared world connected to any personalized domains we may or may not have.
Spoiler: Details (click to show/hide)

my main objection is isn't that what avatars are for?
What?
the purpose of avatars is to give you a method of affecting the world without going through red tape. you're essentially petitioning to make moon-avatars for everyone. not only that but these moon-avatars are basically all-powerful. that is why I'm slow to accept it. other avatar petitions are far more limited in what they can do.

that, and a planet orbited by 10 moons is going to have some weird tidal effects.

9577
my main objection is isn't that what avatars are for?

that and if given total power over an area, it's easy to project force out of that area into another.

for example: i make my moon into a Death Star! my Death Star fires a planet-destroyer laser at the planet! it's super-effective!

i dont want that.

9578
GWG, the vote on your moons idea is coming up soon, and I'm not sure how to vote on it. could you please justify why we need to each have a personalized mini-planet? especially since we each have interesting ideas and worlds to build, and splitting them up that thoroughly will make it a royal pain for our avatars to visit each other's territory. if we at least stay on the same planet it should be possible to interact.

9579
...
well, i plan on voting against the gaiaweapons when they come up unless someone can give a good reason for them to exist, but...
Gaiaweapon of Lenglon:
Spoiler: The Ebony Ring (click to show/hide)

9580
well, blast. that limit on automanips is a major problem, although workarounds are still possible.
((and i knew Nyars would refuse, it just was the logical follow up so...))

plan 1) the hard way
look up various forms of immaterial containment and/or shielding fields developed. particularly look for methods of containing either heat or plasma effects that do not require surrounding the effect but instead curve their shielding around it, probably by having an array of devices clustered together, a few forming the shield itself, initially aimed mildly off-center, and the rest forming modifying fields that act similarly to prisms upon the shield effect, causing it to curve  as it passes the target area, forming a hollow sphere.
attempt to either duplicate or develop such a device, activate it, then have a dedicated automanip cause there to be a specific heat level or plasma ball inside the shielded sphere.
create a program to adjust the angles, shield strength, and prism strengths, to automate the process of moving the sphere around so that all it needs is directional input.
test the maximum range the device can handle the sphere being from the emitters before the containment shields are too diffused to be functional, and make the program not allow moving the sphere that far from the emitters. also disallow suicidal fireball placement, such as on the user or on the emitters themselves. teach it that the initial fireball position must be a fixed direction and distance from the device array, to allow the automanip to function. treat this position as the default position for the fireball to go throughout design.
check size, price, and power constraints, and attempt to remove excess and specialize the device array to make more portable and cheaper to produce, reducing fireball size as needed as well, and updating the program as needed to compensate for this process.
do not stop downsizing until it either stops working or is both realistically man-portable and cheap enough in materials i think it would cost about 5 tokens or less. check how much this has reduced performance, and note exactly when it became man-portable, and when i think it would only cost about 5 tokens, if either point is reached during this downsizing and efficiency work.
((i'm assuming here that the field itself will keep the fire/plasma ball going through simple conservation of energy, since it doesn't have anywhere to go to dissipate itself. also since the automanip is set to cause there to be a specific amount of heat/plasma in the area, instead of adding a specific amount of heat/plasma to the area, it should be able to simply be triggered again to bring the fireball back to full strength))

refinements:
if the device takes significant battle damage, make it refuse to activate the automanip anymore for any reason, set the shields on a middling-strong setting, and turn off the prisms, reshaping the shields into an outward facing cone, and expelling the fireball away from the user. after the fireball has had three times the time normally needed to dissipate,the rest of the device turns off and stays that way until repaired.
attempting to trigger the automanip causes the shields to return to the default position, then triggers it. the automanip will not trigger if the shields are out of position.
give the device a physical switch on it, which is covered and latched to prevent accidental use, which will disable the safeties with the exception of the auto-shut-off listed above. it defaults to have the safeties on, is a toggle, and if damaged (without the rest of the device being damaged) locks itself with the safeties on.
make the device compatible with prosthetic limb inputs. (remember it only receives directional movement input, and the automanip trigger request, there is no other input to this device)

plan 2) stupidly expensive
first, test each of the various amps, manips, and automanips. find which ones can make the fireball, and which of those have the longest battery life when set to keep it going as long as possible.
next, go through the amps, manips, and automanips again, take the longest lasting result from the above test, and see which amps, manips, and automanips can move it around. for now ignore practicality (if necessary use 6 automanips (one for each dimension) to move it for example).
next, attempt to find a way to reduce the price tag of the system by specializing it to this one purpose, removing unnecessary versatility options, unneeded inputs, etc.

9581
Petition - Avatar

I want my avatar to be a highly limited shapechanger, with single-element elemental manipulation, limited information, and an integrated respawn mechanic that resets it upon death but saves me having to petition for a new avatar every time.
Spoiler: Details (Long) (click to show/hide)

9582
Forum Games and Roleplaying / Re: (ISG) Derelict Dreams
« on: April 09, 2013, 08:50:59 am »
pick up the board with a face and look for how it can move.

9583
disagree

i see no point to this. i dont even see how this is a valid action, choosing a signature isn't an action, and you can decide if you want a signature, and what it is, without a petition. just fail this petition already and as soon as you have an avatar ignore the failure and do it anyway.

9584
if you still have a slot as per the current thread title, i would like in.

9585
Forum Games and Roleplaying / Re: (ISG) Derelict Dreams
« on: April 09, 2013, 02:22:55 am »
interrogate snacker for information about where snackers come from why it was agitated before I startled it. free it from the scrap pile if it cooperates. sit on it if it does not. if it frees itself, ride it again.

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