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There's one method that i've seen Meph use to create Golems:

Quote from: Meph on October 22, 2012, 03:16:25 pm

Generally the answer should be no, but there is a way... a mighty complicated one.

Say you want microcline golems (hostile) to spawn from/nearby microcline. What you have to do is this:
Make a custom inorganic mat, name it microcline, it looks like microcline and cant be distinguished from it by the player. only the ID in the raws is different.
Make this mat to be rare and have environment_spec:microcline:single_gem:XYZ
Give it a low boiling point
As soon as a miner digs a big area of microcline he might come across one of those stones that boil away. He is then affected by a syndrome.
the syndrome transforms him into an immobile dwarf for a short time (dwarf stunned by shock as he sees a golem merge from the rock, or something similar for lores sake)
He has one bodypart attached by a melting tissue, drops the bodypart that is fit for animaten shortly after
he also has an interaction to animate that bodypart and transform it into a microcline golem
the golem has the likes_fighting and the crazed tag, so it will be hostile
the transformation of the dwarf ends a few ticks later, so that your miner has enough time to run away.


Problems:
Might not always work
You get a clear warning (has transformed into... a dwarf spotting a golem)
You get some preparation time to get your army down there
Your miner will drop all gear and clothing

Besides that, I am quite sure that this is the only way to do it.

Based on that would it be possible to have a reaction at a workshop (Onion) that did that; create an inhaleable mist that transforms a pikmin and drops a body part before changing it back, that revives and transformed into a new pikmin. The reagent would be meat and so you would effectively transform meat into pikmin.

@Thecard: that's (Above) the method you use to avoid the sacrifice.

@abculatter_2: Building the workshop is going to simply require a "[Color] Onion bulb" as the item needed to build it. Red will be available on embark for a hefty sum. That way they can take root, but they can also be moved.

There's one method that i've seen Meph use to create Golems:

Generally the answer should be no, but there is a way... a mighty complicated one.

Say you want microcline golems (hostile) to spawn from/nearby microcline. What you have to do is this:
Make a custom inorganic mat, name it microcline, it looks like microcline and cant be distinguished from it by the player. only the ID in the raws is different.
Make this mat to be rare and have environment_spec:microcline:single_gem:XYZ
Give it a low boiling point
As soon as a miner digs a big area of microcline he might come across one of those stones that boil away. He is then affected by a syndrome.
the syndrome transforms him into an immobile dwarf for a short time (dwarf stunned by shock as he sees a golem merge from the rock, or something similar for lores sake)
He has one bodypart attached by a melting tissue, drops the bodypart that is fit for animaten shortly after
he also has an interaction to animate that bodypart and transform it into a microcline golem
the golem has the likes_fighting and the crazed tag, so it will be hostile
the transformation of the dwarf ends a few ticks later, so that your miner has enough time to run away.


Problems:
Might not always work
You get a clear warning (has transformed into... a dwarf spotting a golem)
You get some preparation time to get your army down there
Your miner will drop all gear and clothing

Besides that, I am quite sure that this is the only way to do it.

Based on that would it be possible to have a reaction at a workshop (Onion) that did that; create an inhaleable mist that transforms a pikmin and drops a body part before changing it back, that revives and transformed into a new pikmin. The reagent would be meat and so you would effectively transform meat into pikmin.

I'm pretty sure they can't be born as an object that can be carried to an onion, and they can't be egg layers because that doesn't work right in fort mode. However by taking meat to an onion it can create a seed that can be planted, which i then believe can have a reaction for when it's picked (I think).

Status update:

1)The pikmin with all castes except bulbmin (And if i decided Olimin) are completed. Red are fire immune, blue have the amphibious tag, yellow will be receiving something at a later date (No electricity soooo idk), purple have increased size and strength, white have decreased size and increased agility and I was thinking about giving them natural digging ability, but I'm not sure if that works on intelligent civilized creatures. Right now they're a little OP as they can do organ damage to bulborbs seven times their size, but that will be balanced out.

2) Several bulborbs are done. I have all of the dwarf bulborbs and two of the large kind done.

What I'm Doing Next:

1) I'm going to finish up a couple more bulborbs and then do either cannon beetles or the fiery blowhog.

2) Work out the whole Onion situation so its a female caste that has several interactions that create different types of pikmin seeds based upon what you bring it. I'm not sure how well it would work and I'm starting to drift more towards the workshop idea (That way you could bring it the parts of a bulbmin (Wild separate creature) and it will create a bulbmin seed that you could plant and that would transform into a bulbmin upon being picked. It would also allow you the create populations of each pikmin however you wanted because if it were a caste it would spit out random pikmin.)

What do you all think on the issue of Onion workshop VS Onion caste?

3) Get interaction for pikmin seeds set up so that when theyre picked they instantly transform into a pikmin (Fuzzy on how to do this, but i'll cross that troll bridge when I get to it)

4) Adding in Pikmin fauna (Pellet posies will be a crop)

5) Adding in spray interactions that use nectar and ultra sprays as reagents

I was planning on including Hoccotate (I can never remember how to spell it and am to lazy to look it up right now) employs as a sterile caste of pikmin with a high level of social ability and agility with little strength (seeing as they can't lift things in game) that would be perfect for positions as nobles.

I have decided to remove EVERYTHING vanilla and start from scratch using the pikmin bestiary. I haven't decided on size yet, but I'm thinking that since everything will be relative to the other creatures in the mod that it won't matter to much unless you're combining mods, and even if you are it will make for some seriously fun gaming.

They could yes, but planty is not the easiest thing to mod...

Putnam have I mentioned your a genius? I think I'll make Red, Yellow and Blue male and then White and Purple female and give them an interaction that keeps them from pollinating each others flowers, so to say. There is going to be a lot of trial and error with this one...

To be honest, I have no idea how i would go about doing this. So the onion wouln't be the citizen it would be the pikmin that is. And how would you have it spawn seeds? And then how do you meake the seeds change? The new(ish) interaction system is still quite foreign to me, sorry.