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Yeah, too much control would most likely just spoil the fun of finding out what it is they're engraving etc. I once had a fort where I after a long siege managed to end it by digging out and dropping the ceiling of my fort entrance, crushing the whole siege in an instant. Some time after that I noticed quite a large amount of the engravings I'd done since in my dining room depicted goblins covering from or being crushed by falling rocks (can't remember exactly how it was phrased). Nevertheless, just finding that was a moment of pure awesome, and wouldn't have been anywhere near as great if I'd previously scrolled through a menu and noticed I could've ordered that specific scene to be engraved :>

What Repseki said would probably be a good compromise. Not sure if it'd be more fun or annoying to have dwarves sometime ignore your decision and engrave whatever they feel like anyway, depending on their personality

Quote from: FireCrazy on October 27, 2013, 01:32:06 am

I don't think you can send out squads to attack goblin fortresses in fortress mode. Unless you mean send an adventurer, recruit dwarves from your own fortress, and attack the goblin fortress with your recruited army in adventurer mode, in the next version.

actually i think you will have some kind of contributing military role in fortress modenext patch.
on the current dev list:
"Ability to send out fortress dwarves to lead larger groups of surrounding dwarves out around mid-level maps (or just go alone)"
if we trust today when he says he'll be finished the list in a few weeks hehe

The list on the current development page isn't the list Toady was referring to, his current list is just a teensy part of the dev page goals. Hard to say when he'll get around to army stuff, but not for another few years anyway at the very least :>

I doubt that when Toady gets to crime in fort mode we're gonna end up with something as simple as a single counter tbh. We're getting more fleshed out personalities in the next release already as well as wants and goals, which will almost certainly be linked to this somehow. Hopefully actual crime in fortress mode isn't all that far off now anyway, it feels like a very plausible sidetrack when work on taverns get going or during further work on the thief role.

Hi, I'm new here, but I wanted to suggest a few small ideas to make goblins more interesting and more challenging.

1. Nasty Weapons: Goblins could sometimes carry really nasty weapons, with jagged edges or barbs that break off under the skin or other such things. the wounds they would cause would not be likely to kill a dwarf outright, but would require expert medical care and have a very high chance of becoming infected.

2. Wolves: Goblins could bring trained wolves with them. They wouldn't ride them, but would use them the way dwarves use war dogs.

3. Better Squads: In certain circumstances, like if the king is leading an attack, goblins should send entire squads of weaponmasters. They could also send elite squads that aren't quite at the weaponmaster level, but would be a cut above the average goblin force.

4. Uniforms: I had one game where all the goblin soldiers wore masks, and I think it would be cool if stuff like that happened more often. All the Goblins could have a particular image on their armor, or a particular decoration on their helmet or something. Granted they would probably end up all wearing an image of a table, but I still think its a neat idea.

5. On a final note, I think the goblins should still be able to use ambushes after they've started sending sieges, just to keep the player on their toes.

Just some quick comments on the subject:

4. They already do. Take a closer look on the chest pieces and helmets of any goblins the next time, they should all be marked with the emblem of their civ ;P

5. Fairly sure they do already, just not all that often :>

Am I correct in interpreting that combat log as that one of the spiders are tamed, and the other isn't? If so then that's the cause of them fighting, not awesome spider courtship coding.

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Also, sadistic with a good sense of empathy? Those traits kind of conflict there.

Did some quick googling to find a good short explanation of the difference between empathy and sympathy, and came upon this quote...

"[M]aximum cruelty makes use of empathy without sympathy. To hurt someone, you must know what that person's sensitivities and vulnerabilities are, without having compassion or pity for the person's suffering. This is perhaps most obvious in the emotional abuse of intimates or family members. Intimates can say the most hurtful things because they know the other person's areas of vulnerability. The empathic bond is to the other person becomes an instrument to facilitate cruelty."

Evil: Inside Human Violence and Cruelty, p. 245 by Roy F. Baumeister, Ph.D.

This dwarf sounds like a prime candidate

Surströmming definitely feels very dwarven. That and other types of food which the mere smell of would drive other races running for their lives