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It depends on how hard it would be to repower the elevator, and make a scuba-like system. I doubt anyone will have scuba like systems because that wouldn't be very usefull in the apocolypse.

Another reason we need potassium-nitrate. So this Dutch guy, Cornelis Drebbel, made a submarine, and this is how he kept his men breathing:"To re-oxygenate the air inside one or more of these submarines, he likely generated oxygen by heating nitre (potassium nitrate or sodium nitrate) in a metal pan to make it emit oxygen. That would also turn the nitrate into sodium or potassium oxide or hydroxide, which would tend to absorb carbon dioxide from the air around. That may explain how Drebbel's men were not affected by carbon dioxide build-up as much as would be expected. If so, he accidentally made a crude rebreather nearly three centuries before Fluess and Davis.[9] Drebbel had been taught by the alchemist Michael Sendivogius (1566–1636) (perhaps when both were at the court of Rudolf II) that warming nitre produced oxygen.[10]"

Now this is just copy pasted from Wikipedia, but they got good sources, that I checked, and it seems legit. So we could just skip gun powder if we get Potassium-nitrate, it would allow us to go back down into the bunker. You could just make a large tank, with just air inside, that is burning Potassium nitrate, or sodium nitrate, and have pipes feeding that air into a mask that is wrapped around a person's face. Wouldn't need pumps or any fancy compression mechanisms, so we could go down much sooner. Both of those minerals are fairly common in our area, with Sodium nitrate being called Chile Saltpeter or Peru Saltpeter because both countries had extensive deposits. Mostly because it is water soluable, so it is found in chile's large attachama desert, which is the driest place on the planet.

But since we are in an area that used to be the amazon rainforest, in brazil, and the coast is 8 weeks away, we are proabably closer to Peru. If the coast is so far away, even by vechile, we must be in the west of brazil, so a trip to Peru shouldn't be as long as a trip to the coast. Unless we are in the interior of the country, in which case it will take much longer. But regardless someone must have at least small quantities of these chemicals on them near us, because they can be used in the manufacture of explosives as an oxidizer.

(I found all this out when I checked self contained breathing aperatus, not SCUBA, which is the underwater version.)

Oh and although this is a low-tech option for accessing the bunker we would need large quentities of Sodium or Potassium Nitrate, as we would have to burn it the entire time we are in the bunker. These materials would also be somewhat expensive, not expensive but not cheap either, as they would be used in explosives.

That's the whole issue.  People here have been saying "it comes from a cow it's beef" when that is categorically not true, when all people are saying is that it should be labelled.  No one's saying it should be banned-- all anyone wants is that the FDA do its job and ensure people have a chance of making educated decisions about things that are vital to life.

Definition of Beef: The flesh of a cow, bull, or ox, used as food. is from cow, is eaten=beef. Categorically true. The things thats wrong is that it is not the quality of cut you would expect form even low grade beef.

Quote from: GlyphGryph on March 10, 2012, 08:01:05 pm

Isn't beef already graded by the FDA, though? And wouldn't this receiving one of the lower ratings (which I assume it does) be enough to signify that its made from the crap bits?

I thought the ratings were based off of freshness.

no ratings are based off quality of the cut. The prime rib is better than the standard rib, upuntil the moment it spoils I guess at which time you can't eat the prime rib so it might as well be standard rib.

The issue is really just with the label's and the negligable health risks.

Isn't beef already graded by the FDA, though? And wouldn't this receiving one of the lower ratings (which I assume it does) be enough to signify that its made from the crap bits?

Yeah, should also effect the quality of the meat it is mixed in with.

(anyone mind if I jump in after reading the thing?)

Concentrating on the short-median term, we can make bullets if we get the electric furnace up and running and find these ingrediants for gunpowder:
- Sulfer
- Charcoal
- Potassium Nitrate
We can find naturally occuring deposits of Sulfer and Potassium Nitrate. If the mining settlement knows of any deposits that would be very helpful. the charcoal can be obtainded simply by burning wood. There are other ways of obtaining potassium nitrate but they are beyond our level of technology. The cast for the bullets will be hard to make, but once we get one it will work well.

Edit: That's a good name

They want em. Give them to the... With a vengeance! (Besides, I don't really think we pass for terrorists but Whaddaya know.)

Yeah that would be a good plan, but I don't think we can communicate to Lucy, If zombies pass for terrorists zombies pass for children.

To your horror you discover SWAT is surrounding the building. One tall looking man is on top of the car and is shouting into a megaphone.
We know you are in there you terrorist piece of Satans anus. He bellows.
Give the children back or we will take this school by force!.
Sweet balls of god! They seem to think there is some terrorist thing going on. Are they just utterly retarded?
Still. The school is surrounded by something worse then just normal cops. The guns some of these guys have do not look legal.

Yeah I forgot they thought we had children, but I still think they mean business. They don't look like a normal swat team and if some of those gun don't look legal... I think they know something very, very bad is happening. Honestly it doesn't matter if they know we are zombies, I doubt they will wait lon before attackin the school. With many of the zombies brought back to the cave, and the cops armed with new weapons, Lucy is going to be dead pretty soon.

hmmm, I feel like we would lose too many zombies saving lucy, so maybe we should just retreat back to the cave and regroup?

I take it lucy won't be able to survive with so little zombies left, but I wonder what kind of zombies she has left. If they are especially strong, smart, or actor zombies it might just be worth saving her for the cost of a a horde of normal zombies. If we destroy the police here though we won't have to deal with them later, but we could lose many zombies, or lose the engagment and have to retreat with great losses and the police still alive. Lucy would take some of the police with her though... at the very least. It's a small town so the police probabley aren't that large, but they appear strangley well equiped. Perhaps we should go back to the cave, load the best zombies into the bus and the car, and go kill the police. Then we could lose the best zombies... hmm. If we take the normal zombies in the car they will be able to kill less police but are disposable compared to the speciel zombies.

We should go back to the cave, take normal zombies in the car and bus to the school, with the rest of the horde following behind incase the normal zombies aren't enough. (just typed out my thought process, so we could weigh the diffrent options. Bolded is my decision.)

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 My country switched from Arabic script to Roman alphabet, that's an impact of the Roman Empire and the British.
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(unrelated trivia question) that would be Turkey, no?

I really think that the reason the Roman Empire collapsed was primarily economic mismanagment and the diffuculty of containing so many cultures in one Empire. Oh and the germanization of the legions, although that wasn't the primary cause. The reason the Roman Empire switched to less expensive Germanic troops was becuase they were short on money due to economic mismanagment. The decreases in tolerance would have further execerbated the diffuculty of maintaining an empire containing so many cultures. 

No Remorse, No Fear, No Pity!

I don't think we would be doing a lot of indoctrinating, we would just have to declare that Moa Moa, who most of our people believe in anyway, appointed us his prophet. Or we are Moa Moa made flesh etc. It would just tie us into thier religious beliefs and increase our authority.

Edit: ninja'dby Karnewarrior. If it's fertile thats just another reason to scout the region.