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General Discussion / Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« on: January 06, 2015, 09:36:14 pm »
Does that makes sense?
Yeah I guess. It's pretty easy to try and apply "most important thing first" type prioritisation to every problem, even though it really isn't applicable in cases where the 'most important thing' will be something that generations are going to pass over the course of doing it.

right so you use a multi-pronged approach. You have to tackle it all.

I had a woman argue with me that animal rights could not be fought nor mattered until people were no longer poor. Now, by that argument (whether or not you care about animal rights) we have to ignore women's issues until all men have everything going good, or elevate all white people before we start considering other ethnic groups.

That's silly.

We can try to fight homelessness, which has seen an increase in men to the point where it went from it being women in the vast majority in the 80s to it being majority men. AND then we can, at the same time, fight domestic violence on a different front.

I feel like there's this perception that we have to ignore what the majority consider less important issue or sweep things under the rug that don't benefit everyone, just to get a few things accomplished. That presumes we would at one point have a society that is without problems in any given area, which is never going to happen.

...LGBTQIA+ movement...

Alright, dumb off-topic question: What does the "I" stand for?

Intersex. There's also sometimes a U and P in there, some people have suggested using entirely different terms that don't require an ever increasing number of letters for what is more a spectrum than anything else. But getting most people to agree on a specific term and adopt it would not be easy.

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General Discussion / Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« on: January 06, 2015, 09:22:50 pm »
Playing the whole "omg gais let's be humanists instead" just marginalizes already marginalized minority groups and allows the most powerful voices in the room to continue speaking over the oppressed.
Can you explain that end bit? I understand how it's not improving anything, but why would it make things worse amongst the people who are working for whatever it is they're working for?

a couple things.

First off, we can fight both for poor white people (we don't have to ignore them) and also focus in on the struggle of black people. None of this is mutually exclusive. I feel like that's the impression some people get. Like we have to focus all our effort on everyone at the exact same time in the exact same way, which frankly, favors people with more power in the kyriarchy.

We can see an example of the problem with the LGBTQIA+ movement. After the Stonewall riots, there were warnings that if they let this, it would become a white middle class movement, and not a movement for everyone. It has become that. The change we've seen is gay marriage (a noble goal) in most states, but things like gay conversion therapy and trans rights remain unchanged. The face of the lgbt community is white. It is middle class. And now you have some members calling for the LGB part (and chances are they don't think to highly of the B) to extract themselves from the trans part, because it's not their issue. Because they want to focus on their rights.

Different people are oppressed in different ways. It's not a hierarchy or an oppression olympics, but we need to focus on those problems specific to each group, and give them equal attention, or only those most benefited by the kyriarchy among the oppressed will see any returns.

We see this with males talking over and silencing females during these police protests, by the call for police to stop murdering black men and boys but the complete lack of recognition of the many women and girls slaughtered by the police force.

Does that makes sense?

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General Discussion / Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« on: January 06, 2015, 09:10:44 pm »
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this is not a problem if you are white

Bullshit. This is not a problem if you are wealthy. It may or may not be worse for racial minorities, but it is irrelevant either way. The poor treatment of the poor is everyone's problem and as I said before framing it as a racial issue only alienates a big bulk of people who would otherwise support wholeheartedly. Saying "they're just being racist" and calling it a day as you seem to be doing does a tremendous disservice to both sides and does almost as much to scare off support for demilitarizing and otherwise dialing back the police as the police themselves.

this is erasure. Yes, you will get treated badly if you are poor, but the likelihood that a cop will shoot the fuck out of you when you are unarmed and not acting aggressive is significantly less.

Playing the whole "omg gais let's be humanists instead" just marginalizes already marginalized minority groups and allows the most powerful voices in the room to continue speaking over the oppressed.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: January 06, 2015, 09:08:36 pm »
I remember when I asked my mom what she would do if she found out I had the Satanic Bible. Without even thinking she was like "I would burn it." We barely ever even went to Church.

When I was in middle school, my parents came into my room in the morning. The night before I had been messing around with some leaves I had collected from a different state, and had crumpled them up so there was leaf pieces everywhere. I was half asleep and I hear them talking. "does it look like a pentagram?" "I don't know, what should we do?"

My parents were nuts.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: January 06, 2015, 09:03:06 pm »
Remember when it was all Dungeons and Dragons fault?

I got into that game BECAUSE it was so vilified. I had no one around me playing but I got the books and started my own group just because the media was so damn freaked out about it.

Of course, I was like eight or so, so bad almost always equated with cool.

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General Discussion / Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« on: January 06, 2015, 09:00:51 pm »
  One of the biggest problems in todays world is the leftover facts of imperialism and the start of the industrial revolution, slavery was an abominable creation of business men, and this is why I think they're angry at the establishment: time. They still havn't gotten what they want and I believe they do deserve(equality) but because of the absolutely massive rift that's already there, how in the world are you going to heal that? I am not a racist but I do believe that after MLK died they were lost, as if the one man was a martyr for their entire race.

   No, unfortunately white privilege is real. I'd like to live in a country that has an electoral congress removed, an open party system(that means open partys completely, not just left-or-right wing, and yes that means a democracy but I don't think we could handle that just yet. The system is highly inept at this point, because of the stuff that straight up happened after MLK died. They lost their martyr and it was devastating, I absolutely disagree with malcolm X's ideologies. They just inherently do not and will not, ever work. Also police should be out there with an open mind but they can't because they're in the ghettos of society that america has created for itself; and there's your good cop bad cop conundrum too. It's a systemic corruption that lies in what we have buried ourselves in so all I can say right now is that we reap what we sow, as one nation, or as the rest of the world's. And I can tell you this:the day we wake up to climate change as a part of our society is the day things reach a tipping point. You can't just hold it off. You have to collectively do something about it, but in there lies my pessimism to the human race. The cold war? Yea, I can bet you a lot of the testing contributed to what we have today. It's all a system of a downs as I would like to call it.

the bold is pretty racist, or at least ignores a fuck ton of activists and people who have created real and lasting change since then. Also, if you ever have to lead off with the phrase "I am not a racist, but" or "some of my best friends are <insert minority group here>" whatever you say has a high likelihood of being racist.

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yea if you get too indie with your browser stuff stops working with it.

Hey remember when people actually used Opera? Me neither.

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Firefox is so 2013. All the cool kids use Chrome.

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General Discussion / Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« on: January 06, 2015, 08:35:28 pm »
I disagree. There is a place for both peace and war.

Besides no one is killing anyone. They are simply patrolling the streets with their constitutionally (I can't believe I am using this argument) approved assault rifles. They are protecting the lives of their neighbors.

This has been going on a long time. MLK jr only got us so far.

This IS about race. You can not frame it any other way. You don't have to vilify white people to do it, but the fact that it is racially based needs to be recognized (and yes I know the Black Panthers tend to vilify white people, though I have often found them misogynistic and was impressed that women were involved in this.)

My point about the angry black man trope is, this is not a problem if you are white. You can be an angry white man and get things done, but the white majority fears the angry black man, and will see that image more often than not, as we see with the descriptions by the officer in the brown case.

Society wants to erase angry black men, but they want to find out why a white man is angry. That is wrong.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: January 06, 2015, 08:27:31 pm »
yes-im-sealy:

tired of this fuckin disgusting oppressive appropriation of nerd culture tell them to check their jock privilege
#yesallnerds #fuckingjocks

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yes! you fell into my trap! I've been desperately waiting to link this article. wheee

http://www.newstatesman.com/laurie-penny/on-nerd-entitlement-rebel-alliance-empire

if angry-teenage-girl is not a real tumblr I am going to snatch that name up.

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General Discussion / Re: How do you guys buy groceries?
« on: January 06, 2015, 08:25:34 pm »
hmm trying to think what a street market place would entail. Yea there are farmer's markets but that's mostly a suburban thing, you won't see that in poorer areas.

Sometimes I see people on the side of the road selling watermelons or corn or oranges.

Most grocery shopping if you are poor is done in places like wal mart, which pay starvation wages to employees and end up making them use govt assistance themselves, and then most of the money used to purchase food there doesn't go back into the local economy, but back into a large corporation and the pockets of the higher ups.

A wal mart coming to your area means a small chunk of very low quality jobs (that might allow you to get welfare, since you will have something for a job, if you have a family) and a net loss for the local economy.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: January 06, 2015, 08:15:05 pm »
so sorry, sometimes I just quote and don't notice who I am responding to!

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: January 06, 2015, 08:11:04 pm »
-snip-

yea it makes you a little angry.

But then I get that treatment from nerdy guys in the way that I might feel about jocks liking that stuff. And I've been here the entire time.

I think more people playing these things and removing the stigma is a net gain, either way.

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