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Quote from: smeeprocket on January 10, 2015, 06:25:29 pm

I guess we could fit this into a hypothetical I used earlier.

The winter is cold, you are short on wood. You can burn ten people to make sure everyone is warm and toasty. You won't die of cold if you don't but you will be uncomfortable. Yes/no?

When you have more than ten people, you can get warm by sticking together. Think about it, collectivist.

You also threaten people's very lives here, it is different.

It's a hypothetical, suspend your belief, no one gets to snuggle together for warmth (or dig into the snow)

Look do you want this toasty gay person fire to happen or not?

The point is, (and I am not really a collectivist, people just keep calling me that,) it will not hurt you or your rights for gay people to have equal representation.

If there is a voiceless and politically weak group in your society, one that exists peacefully and causes harm to no one by virtue of their existence, don't they deserve the rights everyone else enjoys? Isn't that worth fighting for?

I think what we have here is a situation of "the law forbids both peasants and kings to sleep under bridges": Russians think that allowing gays to freely express their sexuality amounts to preferential treatment, even though heterosexual people have no problems with shoving blatant sexualisation into everything from advertisements to movies, while Westerners think that this is merely equal treatment. I support the latter, personally, because I believe that to be fair and just, you either have to have problems with women's asses printed everywhere or not have problems with men's asses being printed in the same places. P., I suppose you will agree with me that if we let heterosexual people talk about their sex lives freely, it would be only fair that we let homosexual people do the same. Or is your argument that the desires of the majority is that the gays do not express their sexuality due to it being unpleasant to the said majority?

I'm not sure what the desires of the majority are. I see what the politicians have done, but I don't live in Russia to know how people feel about it.

I guess we could fit this into a hypothetical I used earlier.

The winter is cold, you are short on wood. You can burn ten people to make sure everyone is warm and toasty. You won't die of cold if you don't but you will be uncomfortable. Yes/no?

Cut him off like a gangrenous limb.

Mind you,I have maybe 3 friends, two of whom I haven't talked to in over a year. But I feel it has been a net gain.

Guys guys guys.
Why do we always have to jump to the worst possible scenario? What if she's just selling it? Sheesh.

I got accused of that because I was short a very few pills of xanax (which were a very low dosage) I love going to the hospital. They always treat me like an addict/drug dealer.

Anti-anxiety meds sound like exactly the kind of thing I'd abuse if I were someone else.

Quote from: smeeprocket on January 10, 2015, 05:53:59 pm

Quote from: Descan on January 10, 2015, 05:45:37 pm

To be fair, as far as I could tell, Charlie was considered a "left wing" rag. If THAT is what a left wing rag in France is, then something is definitely rotten in the state of Frankreich.

agreed.

Vilanat, are you aware of the violence against muslims that has already occurred because of this, or the support for nationalist political parties that will have a much much larger impact than the terrorist attacks and will promote the oppression of people.

Dwarfy, white people continue to oppress black people in Africa. That is still a thing, from the white people living there to white corporations crippling the average person and taking any potential wealth to be given to the white upper class in the first world.

I realize many people picture Africa as this series of hovels that have always been that way and when apartheid was lifted in south africa that was all fixed and they are responsible for their own fate now, but that is not how interactions between the first and third world ever occur.

I do. so far no casualties. for what i know, not even a slight injury. hardly a comparison to the violence jihadists/radical islamists had performed and will perform because of this attack.

wrong, a woman four months pregnant miscarried due to being assaulted.

Are you really playing a game where you think, because some extremists killed some racist cartoonists, nothing that happens to Muslims or Arabs in the aftermath matters, even if you only don't count it unless there is a death, that's quite a disturbing view to have, and something I fear a lot of French individuals share.

These rallies happening in public feel more and more like hate demonstrations than gatherings of solidarity.

I saw mentions of neo-liberalism in there. That is a nasty disease. It never goes well.

I think what you may ultimately see, assuming people remain passive and indifferent to the issues, and those with the kind of power society has given them (even if that is very little) don't amplify the voices of the oppressed, and that includes groups other than LGBT+ people, of course, is imprisonment for just being gay, or like in the US, conversion therapy (do you have that in Russia, it's horrific)

Comrade, I'm a bit shocked that you would ask that question. No one is asking the majority to "bend over", they are asking them to raise their boot and stop grinding it down, or perhaps prevent others of their kind from grinding down their boot.

It is about equality, comrade.

other than eldritch beings (and possibly even then) isn't a sanity check for a particular thing a one time deal? I've never made people roll more than once because the shock already happened.

A sane person will become jaded and indifferent to horrors after such an encounter, though that also might mean they're getting PTSD...

To be fair, as far as I could tell, Charlie was considered a "left wing" rag. If THAT is what a left wing rag in France is, then something is definitely rotten in the state of Frankreich.

agreed.

Vilanat, are you aware of the violence against muslims that has already occurred because of this, or the support for nationalist political parties that will have a much much larger impact than the terrorist attacks and will promote the oppression of people.

Dwarfy, white people continue to oppress black people in Africa. That is still a thing, from the white people living there to white corporations crippling the average person and taking any potential wealth to be given to the white upper class in the first world.

I realize many people picture Africa as this series of hovels that have always been that way and when apartheid was lifted in south africa that was all fixed and they are responsible for their own fate now, but that is not how interactions between the first and third world ever occur.