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These are dwarves.  You're not gonna see two small bites while the vampire extends his pinky and daintily drinks.  Ripping open the whole throat and upturning the dwarf like a wine barrel is how it'll happen.

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Quote from: Dragula on March 04, 2012, 03:48:36 pm

Quote from: tahujdt on March 04, 2012, 03:45:23 pm

IF you've ever read "Dracula", he killed some people gradually, over time, and some were killed right away.

Although, it would be more !!FUN!! if drained dwarves were just reported as dead, and then when buried they snuck out and drained more people.

I have, I have also read Anne Rices books. I don't mind that some of them die, I just don't think it should happen every time.

My point exactly. Anyway, why can't they target the migrant competent cheesemaker instead of the legendary +3 blacksmith who is friends with everyone?

I'd like to see that neck beard that even covers the back of the neck.

Using pumps to dam a river isn't really that difficult, and is the most easily torn down once you don't need them anymore.

Spoiler: STUPID MISTAKE BY ME: Make walls to channel the water to ONLY flow into the river! I'll fix the image and text in a bit. (It does otherwise work!) (click to show/hide)

Assuming you have a 4-wide river as in the image, you'll need (this can all be bought on embark):
A carpenter
A mechanic
An architect
A mason if using stone in anything other than the mechanisms
22/23/24 logs for:
* 1/2/3 for:
** Mechanic's workshop; can be replaced with stone and/or torn down when no longer needed
** Carpenter's workshop; can be replaced with stone and/or torn down when no longer needed
** (Optional) Mason's workshop; can be replaced with stone and/or torn down when no longer needed
* 8 for a floor where the pumps go so you can build them; can be replaced with stone
* 9 for:
** 3 pipe sections
** 3 enormous corkscrews
** 3 wooden blocks; can be replaced with stone
* 3 for the waterwheel
* 1 for the 2-tile east-west horizontal axle
2 stone for mechanisms
If you are replacing anything with stone (except if it's just the floor), take another log/stone for a mason's workshop. You can reduce the total logs needed to 22 if you tear down the carpenter's/mechanic's workshop to use its materials for the other, and this still holds true if you replace things with stone versions and build a mason's workshop at some point.

To build the contraption, place the right gear, the horizontal axle, and the floor. Don't span the floor over the whole river but instead make it 1 less than needed to go over the whole thing, otherwise the dwarves will take a swim. Once most of the floor has been completed place its last tiles, and also make the waterwheel if the right gear has been built yet. The pumps (pumping so the passable tile is closer to the waterfall) can be added in as each tile for them is added. Once everything else has been completed, build the left gear to start the whole thing going. ‼Science‼! You should now have a dammed river!

The whole setup will generate 100 power and requires 62. It doesn't have to be that exact distance from the edge of the fall and can be made farther or closer if you want, as well as mirrored vertically if the dwarves are south of the river and/or horizontally if the waterfall is in the east, or rotated... basically it's not stuck like how you see it. It can be used to dam up to a 7-tile river with basic addition of pumps; you just need 5 logs for each tile of the river. For a 8 or wider river, you'll need another water wheel. That should be extrapolatable from the image and the knowledge that a water wheel generates 100 and needs 10, and that the gear assembly/axle portion needs 12 power. You should also bring extra flooring tiles if the river is wider than 7 tiles so you can build the farther-out water wheels. I can answer any questions for wide rivers.

This can also be modified for use with a brook. You won't need the logs to build the floor for the pumps, and you'll need to channel out the area for the water wheel, but otherwise it's pretty much identical. The horizontal axle can also actually be just one tile and the waterwheel touching the top pump, but it's one power of difference and the power generator-transfer part would still not have enough juice left over to handle 8 pumps because power is only transferable from the middle tile of a water wheel.

Quote from: Twangykid on March 03, 2012, 07:17:11 pm

WELP. Both my miners walked into the waterfall, along with my only picks and legendary engraver. The entire river was restricted and their was a perfectly safe tunnel under the waterfall, but nope, they have to walk off. This was early in the world as well, so no making more picks, time to abandon-reclaim. :L is there anyway to force them to NOT walk through it? I know the mist is pretty and all, but if you complain one more time that you are hurt, and my engraver takes it upon himself to rescue your sorry asses, i am taking away the booze stockpile. Forever.

You say you had a tunnel, and had marked the falls as restricted.  Did you mark the tunnel as a high traffic area?  Was the tunnel far away from the falls?  Normal tiles have a value of 2 for pathfinding.  High traffic is 1, restricted is, iirc, 25.  Which path a dwarf takes is the one with the lower total value.  Sometimes restricted tiles isn't enough because the "good" path is still a higher value (thus it is considered less desirable).  Also, if they had picked the path before you marked the falls as restricted they won't repath when you mark them.

Note:  It's also 2am here, so if I screwed up describing something just point it out.

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1.  Your pumps can and will pump faster than the magma sea can refill.  The closer you tap to the edge the better, but be sure your pumps are protected from magma creatures that wander onto the map.

You should have a larger number of taps that go from the magma sea into a cistern that your main pump stack then taps (build it down into it so the pumps are hanging off the one above it).  Build the pumps BEFORE you fill it with magma.  This area needs to be well protected, because if the pumps get smashed you may not be able to drain the cistern to repair it.  Even with this you will still probably be under-utilizing the main pump stack.  Also, magma pouring onto wooden power supply axles is !!FUN!! and should be avoided.

2.  Magma doesn't pressurize by itself, but pumps will pressurize it.  You should use a large cistern instead of trying to directly pour it onto the magma sea, or you may have unpleasant surprises like magma gushing up into your magma forges.  Besides that, the cistern won't directly drain but magma below 7/7 moving from the sea into the bottom of your magma tube will slowly drain the tube.

3.  It will kill your fps due to all the flow calculations.  Don't do this on a large scale without a way to seal it off.

4.  Magma creatures move in from the map edge like other creatures, floor grates from the inlets are enough - and pumps can pump through floor grates.

Quote from: rtg593 on March 03, 2012, 03:23:14 am

Really? 18 views and not a single comment? At least tell me I'm an idiot for trying all this ;-) lol. What are your thoughts, people? :p

Patience is a virtue - also, 18 views isn't a lot.