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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread
« on: July 16, 2020, 07:39:01 pm »
Looks like Trump's ordered hospitals not to send covid data to the CDC, but instead straight to the white house. They've got a bespoke database built by private company Palantir, which is run by Trump supporter Peter Thiel. So effectively they want to hoover up all the Covid data and stick it into some proprietary database run and managed by a third party pro-Trump company. Sounds like a nightmare for transparency, and the motivation is clear, since they'll have a private database with all the data in it, Trump can finally control those "numbers" he's always worried about.

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This is probably a meme at this point but I'm wondering what's so special about Pluto that should make it such an exception.

Historical accident. If they'd found Eris and other Kuiper belt objects far earlier we probably wouldn't be having this debate. People care about things they learned when they were growing up not changing.

I've come across a mention that Ceres was called a planet for over 50 years  until they found the rest of the asteroid belt, so the re-definition based on basically the same criteria has historical precedent far before Pluto was discovered. So one alternative to kicking Pluto out that was considered was to class Ceres as planet 5, shift the others along and call Pluto planet 10. Now, instead, both Pluto and Ceres as called dwarf planets, rather than planet and asteroid. I guess the people who grew up calling Ceres an asteroid would be annoyed too that they now have to call it a dwarf planet.

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Oh here's the best laugh in this thing so far:

Quote from: triggered astrology believer
While Ophiuchus IS a constellation, it isn’t a zodiac sign. The sun passes in front of it, not in it, like it does for the 12 zodiac we are familiar with.

Oh bwahahahaha!. The sun merely passes "in front" of Ophiuchus, rather than "through" it, as it does for the proper constellations.

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Isn't that old news by decades? I'm pretty sure it predates me.

The news predates us by centuries, actually. This is 3000 year old data they're going off after all. It's apparently news now because for some reason a twitter storm exploded over it despite it being old information.

*The athleticism is due to social reasons. Since we group school sports by birth date, those who are born just before the cutoff date are almost a year of physical development behind those who were born just after the cutoff date last year. This leads to a feedback loop of the older child being good at sports against the younger and thus becoming interested in it, becoming better at it.

I heard about that but in a much more disturbing capacity. Apparently boys born at the end of school intake year are 40% more likely to be diagnosed with ADD and be prescribed chemicals than boys born at the start of the school year. So not only is there a year's worth of extra development, they're misdiagnosing relative youth as a medical condition that needs to be controlled with drugs. I guess the lesson here is not to send your kid to school too young.

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Apparently there's a big blow-up on Twitter because of astrology.

A NASA article has pointed out that because of precessions of the axes and the general movement of the Earth and sun, the path of the sun is different through the constellations now. This includes different start and end dates for the official 12 star signs, but not only that, the sun now spends a good 3-4 weeks in the constellation of Ophiuchus (the snake). So, technically anyone born in that period should be of the Ophiuchulian star sign. Astrology fans are furious and refuse to believe it, which is odd for apparent believers in the power of the stars.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: July 13, 2020, 06:40:20 pm »
You got that the wrong way around. From what Iduno said, it looks like they used generic AI but did testing and tweaked the *levels* until it appeared that the AI happened to be smarter.

To put it another way, if the AIs are always  getting stuck on corners, you can either try and rewrite the AIs so that they avoid the corners (hard), rewrite the physics/collision system (hard) or just make it so there are no hard corners where the AI goes (easy). "Removing the corners" (or putting invisible cushions on the corners) is the kind of tweak we're talking about here, and while it'll help the AIs seem less dumb, I'd hardly call that "writing custom AI" for the situation of getting stuck on corners.

The reason they couldn't replicate the AI trick for the F.E.A.R sequels by that reasoning is that because custom map-tweaking to make "clever" AI things happen is a trick you can only pull off once. Once you've used up the bag of tricks then you can only pull off the same tricks again.

For example you might have a rating on standing in different locations, so you give an area with good cover value a high rating, so the AIs will tend to want to go there, and they won't tend to wander out into the open fire-area where the player can shoot them because that area has a low rating. It will just appear that they're not wandering out because they don't want to be shot, but it's costly in development time to bother with all this.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: July 13, 2020, 09:18:31 am »
That's a very inaccurate depiction of the plot, and has the order of events mixed up. You come to an island inhabited by mercs who work for a Dr Evil type. About halfway through the game the evil dudes lose control of their genetic mutants, and those over-run the island. Most of the people you haven't fought were killed off by the mutants already. So you spend a lot of time fighting across the wilderness first against the mercs and later against the mutants, and you need to focus on survival skills here, something the 2nd game doesn't really have. So that's something #1 has going for it: it's survival based, limited ammo, no "free refills" like the 2nd game and later. If you want a wilderness shooter with survival and ammo management that matters, you'd go the first game. It gets pretty difficult and it's slow going, so you need to use a mix of stealth and combat if you want any hope of survival. So think of it as a steal / survival shooter mix. Then right at the end you get tricked into injecting some mutagen. But that's a trick by literally the final boss on the island, and you get the antidote. So no, you don't "turn into a mutant" then murder everyone. That never happens.

Note that in Far Cry #2, while in the opening you see civilians, the civilians have basically ceased to exist by the time you actually have control of the character all the of civilians have mysteriously vanished. The ethics in that game are if anything, much worse, since you work for murderers and murder the people you work for as soon as a higher bidder comes along, along with pretty much everyone you meet when you're out and about, in an entire supposedly populated country rather than an evil scientist's island base.

Where #1 has it over #2 is because they don't try and mesh everything into one GTA-style open world, so the set pieces are architectural far more distinctive. It's a far less forgiving game too, so that could count either way depending on what type of game you want to play. In Far Cry 2, I worked out that if you got the jeep with the explosive cannon you could basically sit back and shell everything to death and if you were careful you could keep that jeep alive pretty much permanently. The game was far easier then. I'd jump in and replay Far Cry 1 on a harder difficulty before bothering with #2 again. #2 is just a sandbox.

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Saw this thing a while ago, it's interesting looking at how many counting systems there are in use on Earth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4bmZ1gRqCc

... then it makes the point that Klingon is effectively a really basic clone of the Anglophone number system just with different words, so it's much less exotic than real Earth systems. So Klingons only use base 10, and have a word for thousands and a word for millions, etc etc. Not to mention that even English is a mishmash of base 10, base 12 and base 20 (score) systems here and there. So the lucky ancient Klingons went "ok so it's base 10 with thousands, millions and billions etc, nice neat system, no caveats needed", which shows the actual paucity of flavor in most of our sci fi stuff.

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Life Advice / Re: The Generic Computer Advice Thread
« on: July 12, 2020, 08:44:01 pm »
Two different video cards both not working on the slot could point to something being wrong with the board. I wouldn't just assume that slot is working for graphics because it detected a Wifi card in the slot. So, buyer beware before spending money on a whole new video card in the hopes that that one works.

If you have a damaged video card there are several ways it can manifest. Firstly, the machine might just not boot. Second, it could boot but not register any card there. Third, it could identify the card but there are any of a number of things that go wrong with it. For example, Windows starts up but you get a bluescreen of death, since it tries to access the hardware for the additional screen but fails.

if both cards are doing the exact same thing with the exact same symptoms then that makes it a little less likely it's the cards and a little more likely it's the board.

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Headline pretty much sums up the whole thing:

"Patient who believed pandemic was a hoax dies after attending COVID party"

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/patient-who-believed-pandemic-was-a-hoax-dies-after-attending-covid-party/news-story/a321fc594942c1cd3d41a65b9fd51673

I'm sure there are people reading that who are sitting there saying clearly this guy's story is another hoax.

But I can't really get the mindset of people who think that the powers that be would collapse the entire economy via an elaborate hoax. The powers that be were just that, powers that "be". They were perfectly happy with the existing situation because it was engineered to suit them. The elites destroying everything makes no sense.

It also shows a severe lack of reasoning skills. Is every doctor and the entire medical profession in on the hoax? Is this an effective doctor-lead coup where they wrest control of society to medical experts, with the nurses and other medical workers as the loyal footsoldiers also going along with the hoax?

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General Discussion / Re: Veganism and Vegetarianism Thread
« on: July 12, 2020, 11:35:26 am »
The final point of which is clearly apparent because say 1 kilo of potatoes costs say $1 where a kilo of beef costs about $10, despite taking up 36 times as much land. If it was merely about which thing you wanted to grow on the land you'd clearly choose the potatoes. Which by itself should be the proof that they can't grow potatoes there. Another way of looking at it, if it was merely about them putting cows on perfectly good land that could just grow potatoes, because of greed/profit, then they'd do that right now and stick cows in instead of potatoes in prime potato-growing regions rather than just have the cows out in the midwestern scrublands.

So the land isn't comparable and arguing about how much room things take up is silly. The potatoes are grown where they are because that's a prime potato-growing region, and it's more economical to put potatoes there instead of cows, and the cows are grown where they are because that's prime cow-growing region and it's more economical to put cows there instead of potatoes. In both cases, they choose whatever will make the most food for the least space, in that region, so saying there's some other potato-growing region where they have higher food density thus there's a problem with the cow grazing is a stupid argument

EDIT: also the biodiversity point isn't really relevant. with less grazing animals you'd need to compensate with more land turned over to intensive cropping, which may be worse for biodiversity in those regions. At least you can have native grasses growing in the pasture lands.

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General Discussion / Re: Veganism and Vegetarianism Thread
« on: July 12, 2020, 10:27:07 am »
That is a true explanation of how things are, but it's addressing profit optimization rather than the original question of food efficiency.

If the extra stuff we're feeding cattle wouldn't be useful economically even if we diverted it elsewhere then the original point is proven wrong, however. Also recall the UN study that only 14% of global cattle feed comes from human-edible food sources.

What you state here as the original question / argument, is that by eliminating all cattle/meat we can save X amount of food that could be eaten by humans. The UN study shows that only 14% of meat production even qualifies for that argument in the first place. So we're down to discussing whether the reduction of that 1/7th of meat production would actually yield food which we could eat, since the other 86% basically doesn't qualify - virtually everywhere people use animals for the specific goal of converting food sources we can't eat directly. Animals that eat exactly what we eat aren't economically useful. See the sheer lack of bothering to domesticate anything that needs to eat fruit for example.

That's kind of the entire point of why mixed plant/animal agriculture has been so successful. If plant-only diets were so much better at providing additional calories then they would actually have out-competed meat-based societies in the first place (you'd have more examples of militaristic regimes dictating vegetarianism if it was the case, in order to maximize population growth). It's the basic experiment of history in progress. Everywhere has always been competing with everywhere else to maximize the amount of food availability (very important factor in warfare for example), so it's arguable that the traditional mix of food sources is close to the optimal in terms of producing the most food.

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General Discussion / Re: Veganism and Vegetarianism Thread
« on: July 12, 2020, 09:30:56 am »
Sure, that land could go to growing additional corn or potatoes, but there is in fact other land that could go to that, but doesn't, already. More people could grow more potatoes and absolutely saturate the potato market, but it wouldn't necessarily be sustainable to do that. The amount of potatoes we grow isn't constrained by the amount of land we have, it's constrained by the fact that people need to make a net profit off growing potatoes, so the amount we grow is a set ratio based on how much it costs to grow, process and distribute relative to the amount of demand that exists. Prices will fall and margins will go negative if they over-produce potatoes, and people will be pushed out of the market, meaning production will fall again, which is why that doesn't really happen already. If you want to make foodstuffs from potatoes more abundant, you don't need more land you need to streamline the production so that it's cheaper. higher demand for potato-growing land will follow from that, not the other way around.

If they can't do the feedlot thing so they don't want to grow the stuff you mentioned, there's no reason to expect them to switch to the corn, potatoes etc already unless there's some economic incentive to do that, and you've just massively reduced the value of their land, by definition, since you're preventing them from growing the thing that's the most economically viable out of all their options. The effect of doing so would be like the logic behind tariffs. i.e. bad logic. There's also the problem that really cheap food floods into poor countries as imports and this is in fact a big cause of third-world unemployment and collapse of rural economies, since you cannot really compete with international agribusiness. Just producing more food isn't necessarily a solution, so saying that we could switch those feedlots to producing more potatoes, corn, wheat and what have you isn't necessarily going to be a good thing.

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General Discussion / Re: Veganism and Vegetarianism Thread
« on: July 12, 2020, 09:09:44 am »
But Wierd's entire point is that since crops only make up a small portion of animal feed, that argument itself is wrong. "but the argument goes XYZ!" isn't actually a rebuttal, if XYZ is shown to be false.

The assumption in that argument is that a significant amount of the feed used could be eaten by humans. Common sense says that they wouldn't do that - i.e. it's a no-brainer that they feed cattle predominantly on things we can't/don't eat, since there's less opportunity costs that way.

Backing up that basic intuition with a quick google shows a UN study that said 86% of what we feed cattle on isn't fit for human consumption, and this isn't US-specific. In fact there's no reason to think that the US is a special case on feeding cattle on grasslands. Everywhere has plenty of marginal land, other places no less than the USA.
http://www.fao.org/ag/againfo/home/en/news_archive/2017_More_Fuel_for_the_Food_Feed.html
https://www.moffittsfarm.com.au/2018/01/19/world-livestock-an-asset-not-a-threat-to-human-food-availability/

So according to that by completely removing all crops edible to humans from the meat chain you'd reduce meat production by something like 14%. Then, there would be real question about what actual effect any attempt to do so would actually have. For example, if you just banned the use of those grains being sold for meat-production then the grains in general would become less economically viable, so that land might just get diverted to other things. Maybe they're cropping corn and the good corn goes to the processors for humans and the funny-looking ears of corn and all the scraps goes to the feedlots. Banning them from selling to feedlots just makes the entire venture more risky and less profitable, since you're taking options away from them, and a significant amount of them might just start cropping things that are now relatively more profitable, not all of which will be food products. Even if they stay in corn production, and all the corn that was going into meat is now competing in the human-consumption market for corn, well now there's a corn glut so all producers are making less money. Which, unless you somehow force them to keep growing the corn, isn't sustainable, and will either force some growers out of business or to divert production.

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General Discussion / Re: Veganism and Vegetarianism Thread
« on: July 12, 2020, 07:17:31 am »
using animal dung as their cooking fuel (which kills hundreds of thousands of children each year).

What is the danger? fire accident, tiny particles, or poisonous chemicals?

Particles.

https://www.thethirdpole.net/2014/07/16/cook-wood-dung/

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The World Health Organization Household Air Pollution and Health report released in March this year states that over 50% of premature deaths among children under five are due to pneumonia caused by particulate matter (soot) inhaled from household air pollution. Over 3.8 million premature deaths annually from non-communicable diseases including stroke, ischemic heart disease, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease and lung cancer are attributed to exposure to household air pollution, adds the report.

India faces a significant challenge in providing access to adequate and affordable energy. Roughly 85% of rural Indian households are dependent on traditional biomass fuels for their cooking energy requirements
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“Most villagers think that since cow dung is easily available and is for free, why should they spend money on buying LPG (cooking gas) connections or gas stoves,” elaborates Kandath. “Moreover, since cooking and organizing fuel is a woman’s job, the men are far from keen to invest any money in it.”

So this effectively kills more children under 5 worldwide than literally every other cause put together, and a lot of it is in fact cow dung rather than wood since wood has some value whereas the cow dung is abundant and doesn't cost anything.

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