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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: November 14, 2012, 12:25:24 pm »
Kilroy would be banned because of the anime thread, he posted let's say a 100% less than wholesome anime AMV, which is now expunged, along with a lengthy discussion of it being inappropriate.

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General Discussion / Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« on: November 14, 2012, 02:35:04 am »
Romney's El Salvador financier's spiritual leader actually led a military unit a few years prior to Romney taking their money, which assassinated the catholic arch-bishop of the country, whilst he was doing the Eucharist, spilling the wine which mixed with his blood and cascaded all over the altar. Because he spoke out against massacres. A week later they did a grenade and machine gun attack on the people at his funeral. This was all very well-known in the American press (including which families backed the assassins) by 1981, well before Romney accepted their money.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/US_ThirdWorld/deathsquads_ElSal.html

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Carlos Antonio Gomez Montano was a paratrooper stationed at Ilopango Air Force Base. He claimed to have seen eight Green Beret advisers watching two "torture classes" during which a 17-year-old boy and a 13-year-old girl were tortured. Montano claimed that his unit and the Green Berets were joined by Salvadoran Air Force Commander Rafael Bustillo and other Salvadoran officers during these two sessions in January 1981. A Salvadoran officer told the assembled soldiers, "[watching] will make you feel more like a man.''

Here's the above story but a dated 1982 nytimes archive version. The nytimes one notes that the 2 children were murdered after the torture training, but not within sight of the Green Berets, though other accounts note that US advisors were fully aware but made it clear actual deaths should not occur within their vision.

Here's another one from the first link:

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Rene Hurtado worked as intelligence agent for the Treasury Police, one of the three Salvadoran paramilitary forces. After a falling out with an officer, he fled to Minnesota, took refuge with a Presbyterian Church congregation, and began describing routine torture methods used by paramilitary forces. These included beatings, electric shock, suffocation, and mutilation. He described techniques such as tearing the skin from " interrogation" subjects, sticking needles into them, or beating them in such a manner that lasting internal injuries but no telltale external marks would be sustained. According to Hurtado, CIA employees and Green Berets taught some of these torture techniques to the Treasury Police in Army staff headquarters.

General John Vessey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, was particularly disturbed by the implication of the Green Berets and initiated an investigation. The investigator from the Army Criminal Investigation Division stated, "My job was to clear the Army's name and I was going to do whatever [was] necessary to do that." Hurtado refused to cooperate with the investigator on the advice of a member of Congress whom the church parishioners had called upon. When the investigator was told this by the minister, he responded, "Tell Mr. Hurtado that the Congressman has given him very costly advice. When I went to El Salvador to investigate his allegations, at the advice of the U.S. Ambassador, I did not talk to members of the Salvadoran military. If I go again and talk to the military, we don't know who will be hurt, do we?''

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General Discussion / Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« on: November 14, 2012, 01:50:28 am »
This movie is amazing (youtube: though the quality here sucks) : some guys from Ireland were making a documentary about Chavez, and during filming the coup happened, so they changed it into a doco about the coup. They actually got stuck in the parliament building with army tanks surrounding it, and the army threatening to bomb the building and kill everyone unless they gave them Chavez.

This film has it all, political intrigue, media wars, crazy commandos, army soldiers rebelling, APCs in the streets machine-gunning protestors, killer cops with shotguns and swords. (the Venezuelan cops are die-hard opposition NAZIs who revel in killing socialists).

and like all good movies it has a great ending: evil coup leaders overthrown, elected officials rescued and put back into power by the rank-and-file army soldiers.

From this and other things I've decided: Venezuelan army GOOD, Venezuelan cops BAD (VERY BAD). All the worst stuff seems to be initiated by the cops there, and the army itself hasn't been as directly involved in mass-killings of civilians. A traditional cop there won't think twice if he's ordered to civilians in the street. but the army grunts will actually rebel against orders that are too horrific.

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General Discussion / Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« on: November 14, 2012, 01:15:43 am »
I mean in the sense that the National Assembly is firmly in his pocket and has been for a long time. That's something that doesn't generally happen in a functioning democracy.

That's because the Venezuelan opposition lead a violent coup in 2002 and massacred a lot of people, including THEIR OWN GUYS so they could blame the socialists. All this is on video with alarming amounts of evidence. They just didn't hide their tracks because they didn't expect the lower-rank soldiers to rebel and put the elected government back into power.

Since then, the opposition hasn't had any credibility. It's kind of hard to do when your guys shot civilians on camera.

also, look it up, the opposition deliberately boycotted the 2005 parliamentary elections because they knew they were going to lose, Chavez's party won a lot of seats, then the Bush administration who were allied with the opposition used the fact of their parliamentary dominance to claim he was a dictator / rigged elections somehow.

Plus, the 20% are the well-off whites and the 80% were the oppressed mixed-race peasant majority, who now pretty much all vote socialist because they remember the old days of police massacres and beat beaten and shot. That's one thing Chavez can boast since he got in. 100% less government-ordered massacres.

this is the most famous massacre before Chavez got in:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caracazo
It happened the same year as the Tienamin Square massacre in China, funny the West never covered this in the news:

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The Caracazo or sacudón is the name given to the wave of protests, riots and looting and ensuing massacre[1] that occurred on 27 February 1989 in the Venezuelan capital Caracas and surrounding towns. The riots — the worst in Venezuelan history — resulted in a death toll of anywhere between 275 and 3,000 deaths,[2] mostly at the hands of security forces. The main reason for the protests were the neoliberal, pro-market reforms imposed by the government of Carlos Andrés Pérez, who had recently been elected in a campaign where he promised the opposite of such reforms.[1]

The clearest consequence of the Caracazo was political instability. The following February, the army was called to contain similar riots in Puerto La Cruz and Barcelona, and again in June, when rising of transportation costs ended in riots in Maracaibo and other cities. The free-market reforms programme was modified. In 1992 there were two attempted coups d'état, in February and November. Carlos Andrés Pérez was accused of corruption and removed from the presidency. Hugo Chávez, an organiser of one of the coups, was found guilty of sedition and incarcerated. However, he was subsequently pardoned by Pérez's successor, Rafael Caldera, and went on to be elected president after him.

In 1998, the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights condemned the government's action, and referred the case to the Inter-American Court of Human Rights. In 1999, the Court heard the case and found that the government had committed violations of human rights, including extrajudicial killings. The Venezuelan government, by then headed by Chávez, did not contest the findings of the case, and accepted full responsibility for the government's actions.[3]

276 is the "official" death toll. most accounts say ~2000. but idk about the following massacres of the next few years.

Now, you might have heard Chavez himself led a coup in 1992. But consider that he lead a coup against a psychotic regime that had a bazillion massacres of civilians over the preceding 3 years ... and consider that the party which conducted those massacres is still one of the biggest opposition parties.

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General Discussion / Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« on: November 14, 2012, 01:07:49 am »
the meme spread about Chavez's 100% media control is a propaganda piece, itself. What the truth behind that is two TV channels conspired with the army to overthrow Chavez in 2002 in a violent takeover, massacred civilian protestors, and imposed a fascist regime which abolished the constitution, parliament, supreme court, election commission, human-rights ombusdman.

And the corporate media there LAPPED IT UP and supported these violent thugs who sent armoured cars around machine-gunning down crowds of unarmed Chavez supporters.

The company that ran TV station RCTV which helped organized and carry out the coup, didn't get their broadcast license renewed when it expired. But none of the went to jail.

What would you do if Rupert Murdoch led an armed overthrow of the government and massacred thousands of Democrats in the street while imposing a fascist military dictatorship? Would YOU let him keep broadcasting after his Junta was overthrown?

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General Discussion / Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« on: November 14, 2012, 12:59:39 am »
dude, all the TV channels and newspapers hate Chavez. There is one single state owned channel which has fairly small market share.

Read el Universal, their leading paper

The corporate media there is constantly thinking up anti-chavez conspiracy theories, daily.

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General Discussion / Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« on: November 14, 2012, 12:51:15 am »
Venezuela Wins Seat on UN Human Rights Council

FOX is outraged that Venezuela got a seat on UN Human Rights Council. I guess all those people Chavez ordered killed (grand total: Zero) will be rolling in their non-existent graves.

It's a country with no death penalty, never started a war, no "disappeared" or assassinated opposition leaders, unlike many countries that the USA holds up as beacons of freedom (looking at you, Colombia).

You'll notice that FOX's anti-Venezuela "human rights" article above, cannot list a SINGLE violent accusation against Chavez - not one single suppression of demonstrators, not one killing, not one incident of torture, etc. All the things they accuse him of is "being powerful." through means such as having a parliamentary majority, and appointing friendly supreme court judges - which I'd argue is a natural right conferred by winning the elections in the first place.

and the idea that Chavez "controls the media" is bullshit, just read Venezuelan newspapers online. El Universal, the leading daily, is openly anti-Chavez to the level of FOX News, and has never been shut down:
http://www.eluniversal.com/english/

If winning a majority of seats in parliament makes you a human-rights abuser, than i guess that invalidates every single government in the world.

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General Discussion / Re: American Election Megathread - It's Over
« on: November 13, 2012, 11:26:44 pm »
I just had a theory that you can judge how interesting a potential President by how well their last name forms a portmanteu with "economics".

Reaganomics (the only one the spellcheck likes btw)
Nixonomics
Clintonomics
Obamanomics

...all sound ok, and all were linkable on wikipedia.

Carternomics - not even in wikipedia
Bushonomics - not even in wikipedia
Romneynomics or Romnomics - not even in wikipedia

...all sound crap, and none had a wiki page.

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General Discussion / Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« on: November 13, 2012, 07:51:37 pm »
Yeah, I'm not much of a fan of IQ testing methodology. Much of the field fails at being science.

One problem is that most science fields start with data and then fit theory to that data. Even if you start with theory, you collect data as objectively as possible, and you have falsifiable predictions etc.

Whereas the IQ field starts with theory (ideological assumptions), then throws out data sets (by creating "calibrated" tests) that do not match the theory, thus the assumptions of the field are unfalsifiable.

But I did think that things like pictures of steamships, telephones, saucer and cups have been a HUGE no-no for a long time in IQ testing? That sort of tech/cultural bias is fairly old news and has been debated for many decades.

Not much can be done with vocabulary questions, those still have a LOT of potential cultural bias, but omitting vocabulary questions is problematic, for ideological test-creation reasons, since the balance of spatial vs verbal is how they mainly calibrate equality between the genders.

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General Discussion / Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« on: November 13, 2012, 07:44:08 pm »
I was actually thinking of an article which worked a little different to the methodology of "stereotype threat" i think i read on science2.0 or some such science news aggregator. It specifically was not "stereotype threat". I already know about that.

Part of the way to alleviate any stereotype threat if you still want demgraphic data is as simple as ensuring that you collect any gender/race info after the test, not before it.

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General Discussion / Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« on: November 13, 2012, 06:32:24 pm »
Are these grade things on actual class grades or on standardized testing? If I recall correctly, students of color tend to do worse on standardized tests than white students even if both students have the same abilities otherwise.

I read some stuff on that which was of dubious scholarship. Well, not so much the research, as the interpretation.

The researchers assumed that black kids felt that they themselves would do badly on the tests, because they were black, so they in fact did badly. The researchers then gave the black kids a "pep talk", and they performed better. Hence "proving" that black kids were biased to believe they'd do badly - because they were black. e.g. self-racism.

But this kind of sounds like circular logic, since they were using the assumptions to prove the assumptions. Also, it's also non-scientific, since they only gave pep-talks to the black kids and evaluated them against "standard" scores of white kids, without considering that ALL the kids might have "jitters" about their up-coming test performance.

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General Discussion / Re: American Election Megathread - It's Over
« on: November 13, 2012, 06:24:43 pm »
Apparently they're up to ~36 states "wanting" to secede. Let's make that 50. And they can all form a NEW nation and have new elections ;D

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General Discussion / Re: American Election Megathread - It's Over
« on: November 13, 2012, 06:06:13 pm »
http://news.yahoo.com/arizona-woman-runs-down-husband-car-not-voting-045426220.html

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PHOENIX (Reuters) - An Arizona woman, in despair at the re-election of Democratic President Barack Obama, ran down her husband with the family car in suburban Phoenix on Saturday because he failed to vote in the election, police said on Monday.

Yeah, but his vote wouldn't have affected the outcome anyway because Arizona already voted for Romney ...

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General Discussion / Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« on: November 13, 2012, 05:23:38 pm »
"I'm not Satan! I'm... Santa. Yes, that's it. Santa. Ho ho ho, merry 666mas, and all that!"
FTFY

It's also suspicious that Santa's last name is "Claws" and he likes the color red, and horned animals. And he demands sacrifices, whilst coming down the chimney in winter (with the fire going I imagine). Saint Nicholaus is the old name for Santa, whilst Old Nick is a name for the devil. The list just goes on and on.

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General Discussion / Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« on: November 13, 2012, 01:57:24 pm »
But then you'd be unable to buy low, sell high. You'd have to buy high, and hope to sell higher.

It'd do away with the leeches and only leave the legitimate investors. Losing out the ability to make a "quick buck" with no labor investment isn't the best argument against something.

Legitimate investors don't buy low and sell high? Jesus.

Legitimate investors buy stocks to hold longterm. Speculators rely on "buy low sell high"

fuck the speculators.

"buy low sell high" is NOT INVESTING, it's a parasitic activity that generates no GDP or value.

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