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Was what I did right? Cheating to lose, to make my young brother feel better and not play something that is boring for me for a long time?

I think you did wrong.  By deceiving your little brother you took away his chance to win in a fair manner.  (Think of the reaction of a boxer who finds out he won because his opponent threw the fight.)

That said, it's hardly a big thing.

I think that's off the mark, for the main reason that the kid's only 8 years old. What chance to win in a fair manner? A fair contest with an 8 year old is just totally destroying them at basically anything. In that scenario, neither side learns anything. You don't actually learn a whole lot playing with someone who just destroys you at the game. Like if the kid wanted to play at boxing, you wouldn't punch them in the face as hard as you can. Games of skill / reasoning are in effect similar, since an 8 year old doesn't have the mental development for that. You basically have to nerf youself the same as you'd pull your punches if play-fighting with a kid.

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I don't know if there's anything really substantial a Biden Presidency can do to stymie the pandemic, it seems to have already reached a critical mass that there's no hope of ever containing it again. The shit that would be tossed into his lap is a truly unfair scenario for a president to enter, and the most he could hope for is damage control.

How long before FOX is calling it the Biden Plague?

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: November 07, 2020, 12:24:54 am »
Delph is not just Chinese, but actively living in China.

Rather than passive living. Beware people, passive living kills.

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread
« on: November 07, 2020, 12:16:14 am »
Damn, even Fox News has turned on Trump lol. The current Fox News comment sections are hilarious with his remnant supporters going berserk against it.

It was really just a matter of time before the expected dropping of Trump like a hot potato by the conservative networks. However, during the election count even exceeds my expectations.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: November 06, 2020, 04:38:32 am »
Just reading this news story about a serial fraudster who is in prison (impersonated a cop among other things, got people to go to ATM and pull money out for made-up offenses), studying to become a priest. The judge didn't think that was actually a positive. Usually the "I found God" angle works well in court, however this judge wasn't buying it.

https://www.news.com.au/national/south-australia/court-hears-fake-cop-is-studying-christian-ministry-behind-bars/news-story/dcee663f1cb7275b48c3401a598832d1

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Judge Tracey said Narroway had a history of deception, and a psychiatrist found he had a “preoccupation with power and success” and an ability to manipulate others.

She said a pre-sentence report also revealed he had been studying Christian ministry and theology while behind bars.

“Given the qualities you exhibit as described by the psychiatrist, your choice of study is of concern,” she said.

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Narroway has an extensive history of fraud and dishonesty-related offences, and has previously impersonated a police officer, a detective and an inspector.

Maybe priest is the best thing for him, who knows? More likely he's realized this pretending to be a cop thing to scam small amounts of money out of people wasn't a good long-term bet and he's honed in on the religion grift. A little too late however.

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread
« on: November 06, 2020, 02:05:31 am »
One point of the drug crisis is that it's people with money who are the target customers. The percentage who become homeless drop-outs are the fallout, they're not the target market. It's like pointing out dying alcoholics as the target market for alcohol and saying that's the whole alcohol market. It's really not even the smallest segment, and it's certainly not the business plan of the alcohol companies to turn everyone into homeless derelicts who are dying of cirrhosis. The actual median drug user has a good job so they can pour a ton of money into it. Relying on scabby people who break into cars so they can afford to buy the drugs isn't a reliable business model for a dealer network. You get people turning up trying to barter a car radio for drugs directly, that's the sort of shit dealers actually have to deal with daily with those types. It's like if someone came into your shop trying to barter live chickens for stuff, that's how that feels: "what they fuck am I meant to do with these car radios?" My pot dealer even have people trade him food bank vouchers for drugs, now, that shit doesn't fly with suppliers, you only accept those if you feel sorry for the person, so he had no pot, no money and a ton of food bank vouchers he didn't need.

There's a reason the direction of the drugs is into the richest country in the world from poor countries and not the other way around, and that's because the real target is the wealth. Hence it's logical that they're not really after the handful of bucks that homeless people have access to. An example of how the dominant mindset is wrong is how in Florida they drug tested tons of welfare recipients to kick them off the payments if they tested positive for drugs, and the cost of running the drug tests actually exceeded the money they saved from people they kicked off the system. no shit. Poor people aren't the target demographic, no matter what you're selling.

So yeah, "clean up the junkies" isn't really solving the problem, those are just collateral damage of the middle class' huge drug consumption. They'll target the poor and most obvious addicts while never doing anything that might upset the powerful apple carts that keep rolling along. Some very powerful people are working with these drug cartels, and their target clients are people with significant disposable income and nothing else to do with it, not some skanky street junkies, which is why periodically clearing out homeless drug addicts and the like never works for very long. They're are a handful of really skanky junkies in a lot of small towns, but those visible guys aren't really numerous enough nor reliable enough to maintain a profitable supply network, are they?

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread
« on: November 05, 2020, 08:54:45 am »
Trump's let slip his real feelings "we want all voting to stop". (my emphasis).

https://twitter.com/RedRebelReports/status/1323896210445406211

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread
« on: November 04, 2020, 08:57:54 pm »
Stop the count! (but specifically only in states Trump's ahead in once he has a majority of counted votes)

The whole stop the count premise is stupid. So, they didn't rig the earlier votes when it showed Trump ahead, but they def. rigged the later votes that haven't been counted yet.

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General Discussion / Re: if self.isCoder(): post() #Programming Thread
« on: November 03, 2020, 07:06:52 am »
Wow, that works!
Well, it works on 38 of the 39 industries I have it hooked up to. I'm assuming the outlier is returning inaccurate data due to server error. I'll restart the machine and monitor.

It seems so obvious after you explained it. Much appreciated.

I'm guessing that RemainingTime will be accurate unless the machine stalls out, since there's nothing there that changes state when a new batch starts, only when one ends.

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General Discussion / Re: I like anime, do you like anime?
« on: October 24, 2020, 09:13:30 am »
It's not really. Consider it like a 1 hour TV show that they released in cinemas over a few years and the output isn't really that much. 650 minutes is the length of one 26 episode / 25 minute TV show.

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General Discussion / Re: I like anime, do you like anime?
« on: October 24, 2020, 09:07:40 am »
What? It's like 7 or 8 movies that were released over many years. They're not actually that long. The first one was actually shown in cinemas, runs a total of 50 minutes. Yeah, if you stick all the movies they released together it's a fair bit, but saying it's therefore like LOTR is misleading.

Effectively each one is about the length of an episode of Game of Thrones, so a better comparison would be the length of season 1 of GoT, rather than comparing it to sitting through a series of movies that run between 3.5 to 4 hours each.

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A lot of the criticism is pushed most strongly by Murdoch related newspapers, so I have a feeling a Liberal Party leader would have been given a slide on that.

For example, the media could have focused on Jenny Mikakos, who is the actual health minister in the government and who resigned over the whole thing. She was actually the person with direct responsibility over the matter, not Andrews.
Yet most people have barely heard the name, while everyone has heard how Dan Andrews is to blame.

That's not an inevitable way to frame this story and not an accident: it's a deliberate framework set up by the media. They're doing "The buck stops here" but they get to decide where "here" is, and if it was a pro-business right wing leader, you'd be hearing all about the incompetent underling letting the side down and not about how Glorious Leader must take the fall for mistakes by anyone who works for him.

And the other side of that, is that their argument is that responsibility goes all the way to the top, so it had to be Dan Andrews. This isn't built into the story either, it's a deliberate framing decision. The hotel thing is about returning international visitors, why isn't that a federal government responsibility? If you know how the media works then let me tell you, if left-wing Julia Gillard was still the prime minister when this happened (instead of our current right-wing leader) and the state leader was a right-wing Liberal, then they'd frame the story as being a federal government failure and the state government as victims. That's how the shell game works at it's core.

So this is how they'd frame the same story differently depending on who's in power: Liberal State / Liberal Federal: blame the health minister or a public servant, limit the fallout. Labor State / Liberal Federal: blame leader of state labor party: "the buck stops here". Liberal State / Labor Federal: blame federal labor leader, he/she didn't provide needed leadership. Labor State / Labor Federal: they all suck, sack the lot of them.

Right now the response by the individual states is a shambles, but somehow according to the media that's not a federal government issue, it's up to the states to sort it out themselves. According to the media it isn't up to the federal government to do anything about the virus and anything that goes wrong isn't their fault. This is pure spin on party lines, and a Labor prime minister wouldn't be getting a free slide like Scott Morrison is.

So, nothing is ever a liberal party person's fault unless they can be proved to have personally done the thing themselves, and you can't reasonably blame anyone else, while everything is a labor party person's fault unless you can prove they weren't involved and they didn't take all humanly possible steps to prevent it. And even then we'll play down the Liberal wrong-doer by taking the most limited possible interpretation, demanding proof before passing judgment, while taking a "where there's smoke ..." stance for any labor party wrongdoing. For example the Liberal leader of NSW was recently revealed to have had a secret sexual relationship with a minister who was taking bribes/kickbacks related to developments, and there are police recordings of her apparently giving the nod about it. Mere weeks later, the story isn't headline news anymore. You can bet that if leftie Dan Andrews was within 1000 miles of a sex and bribery scandal we'd never hear the end of it. Even if he wasn't the one doing it: "What did you know about these other crooked people boinking, Andrews, and when did you know it?" Labor leaders are held to the standard of all-knowing commissars who clearly must have known the sex lives and corrupt dealings of literally everyone else in their party, while a Liberal leader can literally be fucking a criminal and claim they didn't know he was a crook, and the media just says "well that's fair enough, then, how could you have known?"

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Had a slight argument with some old guy in the street, labeled me a Dan Andrews (premier of Victoria Australia) supporter for not condemning the Melbourne Covid lockdown. Firstly, he brought the guy up, I just didn't comment at all, so that makes me a staunch supporter now. I laid into the guy pointing out that I never uttered Andrew's name, it was brought up by the other dude and because I failed to either comment or agree/disagree that makes me a socialist lost cause now. I have no skin in local state politics, I'm not getting into any partisan stuff for Major Party A or Major Party B. I vote Greens/Independent but I wasn't going to tell the guy that though. I asked him if he supported the other party's dude and he said that guy was hopeless too. So I asked him why he'd be so worked up about one guy, when there wasn't anyone else to vote for and he had no response.

And the bit that ties this back to Covid more strongly is this: the criticism of Dan Andrews is that he failed to hermetically seal off hotels with interstate/foreign travelers, so the virus escaped this firewall, and then we had to go into full lockdown to stop the spread. Also, the guy said the virus was a storm in a teacup because he or I didn't know anyone with the virus.

A few things are contradictory in this analysis however. If the point is that Dan Andrews is going too far with hermetically sealing the state off, then the issue cannot logically be that his hermetic seal wasn't hardcore enough, thus the virus crept in. And of course, the reason most people don't know anyone with the virus is the exact same strict rules that were implemented.

What do they want? An alternative government who was both more diligent in hermetically isolating returning people gestapo-like yet somehow more lax with people going too and fro within the state, at the same time? That's not a coherent point of argument. It's playing a sort of hindsight game. You can't rationally lay into them by saying they should have gone full Gestapo at the hotels for returned visitors and at the same time say they should have slacked off controls on public gatherings. The virus was going to get in one way or another.

Maybe if they'd done it the way that those detractors are asking for: beef up security at interstate hotels yet allowing businesses to freely open at the same time, there would have been an outbreak from a different source, and the same detractors would be making the same complaints of not specifically predicting which things needed to be controlled to stop the virus getting in. And of course, since the next line of argument is "nobody has the virus! Fuck Dan Andrews" this proves the lie in the hotel quarantine complaint. If Andrews had actually succeeded in preventing the hotel outbreak then we'd still hate him for any restrictions at all, since there isn't any virus here.

So this is why I ignore the hate for Dan Andrews. Basically no matter what he did or what the outcome was, the same people would concoct the same criticisms. If he didn't stop the virus getting and let business' open, we'd call him a monster. If he enacted border restrictions and stopped the virus getting in, we'd call him a monster. If the border restrictions weren't 100% effective, and some virus slipped in and caused an outbreak, then we'd call him a monster whether or not he then put on restrictions on people in the state to halt further spread. It's basically the shell game of taking down a left-wing leader no matter what actually occurs.

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The real story of why a very small number of cases escaping quarantine caused a large outbreak in the first place is that this is Melbourne, it's a fucking cold place and it was midwinter. Cold/flu virus spread a lot here. Sydney didn't have anywhere near as strict rules, yet they never had the level of virus breakout we did here. It's not because the local governments up in Sydney or Brisbane are super smart or did things any differently than we do: they have the exact same amount of bungling and bureaucracy as we do in Melbourne. Those places are just 1000 km farther north than we are, and considerably warmer. Melbourne's just a fucking cold and wet place in winter, perfect for virus spreading, so we had rules that were 10 times as strict as the more northerly parts of Australia, yet 10 times as much problem containing the virus spread at the same time. The problem is not that the government here was paradoxically both too lax and too strict at the same time, depending on which article you read.

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I mean, the second point is that it's asking the audience to derive a story from raw data. Again, this implies a lack of respect for the audience. They're really only willing to take 7 seconds to look at the slides and understand what's going on, so make it count. The second chart (the bar chart) tells the story that, in no uncertain terms, that the children were more excited overall after the pilot program. What story do the 2 pie charts tell? I dunno, you figure it out yourself, dummy. People understand stories better than just raw data. Make use of that. (At this point, you really should be reading that book to get what I mean; I found my copy quite easily online)

I went over the pie charts myself and generally agree with you here. It took quite a bit of back and forth between the charts, looking at the numbers, the legend, and the size of the chunks to work out what the story was. For example the first thing I noticed was the largest green chunk on the left, checked the legend and it was "OK", then my eyes went over to the right pie chart and noticed that the green chunk had significantly shrunk, implying less people were "OK" now. So, that initial information was sending a mixed message: why was the largest "OK" chunk now smaller? Less people were "OK" afterwards? Then it took a bunch more flicking back and forth between the pie charts to work out that less were "OK" because they'd shifted into Interested and Excited categories. All of that is clearly wasted time that could be avoided with a more appropriate choice.

It's not really the sizes however, it's the extra work connecting the dots. The choice of chart type just wasn't appropriate. For example, the categories are ordered from best to worst, whereas a pie chart removes the ordering, thus it's lost information by default: best and worst are now right next to each other. So yeah, I'm not sure the main problem here is the size judgements, it's the unordering of the information and the extra legwork you need to do to connect related information since laying it out like that scatters relevant info to all corners of the infographic.

Really the only time you want to use a pie graph is when you're trying to point out how one thing, the biggest, is disproportionately large: making a visceral point, such as doing a pie chart showing federal spending and the chunk that's for the military or something. The point isn't to accurately convey the sizes of all chunks, the point is to highlight something being out of whack, and in that case a pie chart makes the point more cleanly than a bar graph, since some of the bars will be very small, so most of your screen would be wasted whitespace. For example if you wanted to highlight how massive the sun is compared to the planets you could do a bar graph, but the sun would be one huge line and there would be empty space on most of the screen, or you could do a pie chart representing each body's proportion of the mass of the solar system. The pie chart would be the punchier choice here.

Using dual pie graphs for a before and after like that is clearly an engineered example that's using the tools incorrectly. That's not what pie charts are good for. The information that matters in that example is how the values changed over time, and the pie charts don't convey that well.

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread
« on: October 22, 2020, 01:18:31 am »
Catholics in 1066: "No, unfailing devotion to the Pope is required. He is not 'First among equals', he is the leader of the One Holy Church, and the Patriarch of Constantinople must be excommunicated for his arrogance in claiming equality to Rome."
Catholics in 1541: "No! No salvation through faith alone, no rejecting the authority of the church: refusal to acknowledge the authority of the Pope is unacceptable, and for this, we excommunicate Martin Luther and his followers. Rejection of the ultimate authority of the Pope and the clergy led by him is in essence rejection of Christendom and must be treated as such."
Catholics in 2020: "Well you see the Pope is more of a Spiritual Leader you aren't supposed to literally obey things he says, it's a suggestion; religious guidance, open to interpretation you see."

I haven't read back beyond this post which is the first on the page, but there's definitely an interplay between religion and power there, and not just in the Catholics. When you can no longer force them to obey, the rhetoric changes and it's all sunshine and flower power. For example, you had the whole Tibetan buddhist torture/mutilation stuff until fairly recently.

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Judicial mutilation – principally the gouging out of eyes, and the cutting off of hands or feet – was formalized under the Sakya school as part of the 13th century Tibetan legal code, and was used as a legal punishment until being declared illegal in 1913 by a proclamation of the 13th Dalai Lama.
So, in 1913 they banned cutting people's eyes out and stuff. But by any sort of reasonable interpretation, you wouldn't assume that such a brutal system magically turns into wine and roses because the leader banned them from doing the worst stuff. Sure, they banned cutting bits off people, but I'm pretty sure that some fairly nasty shit still going on after that: if you're doing that stuff and it's banned, then you work out the nastiest stuff you can continue to do and still get away with it. Once they were out of power (the Chinese being no better), they've rebranded in a similar way to the Catholics. And gaslighting heavily as to the history. Buddhism is widely known for their peace and tolerance: everywhere they're not in power, and it's largely the fact that they're in power almost nowhere that they have that reputation. See counter-example of Myanmar. It's one of the only nations where Buddhists are actually in power and they "somehow" are doing nasty genocide shit. EDIT: well you might say "Bhutan is nice and they're Buddhist" however one of the first things I read on the Wikipedia page just now was about ethnic cleansing accusations.

See Richard Dawkins pointing out that on almost all fronts, the official religion lags behind improved public morals, for example slavery, rather than being ahead of the curve. The pope's gay marriage announcement is actually a direct example of Dawkin's point.

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