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That would be just great if I could buy things through Steam, but I can't buy things through Steam or any other digital distribution service.

I'm pretty sure almost no one has ever played Arena.

Quote from: towerdude on July 12, 2012, 10:38:31 pm

Quote from: Duke 2.0 on July 12, 2012, 09:34:29 pm

That's... pretty silly mate. Just ask my five themed roleplay characters who all have distinct different playstyles and quests completed in their own unique ways.

 Being like real life means absolutely nothing. It means so little of nothing that simply bringing it up drives me to make this post. I don't care about realism. I don't care if you have to restrict your choices and have to get specific skills to do well. I want the freedom to make a character that smashes things with a mace and throws lighting with the other hand before putting on an artifact armor despite being the wrong type for my skill. To just wear clothes as a fighter character and have it be viable.

 I want to roleplay without the clunky mechanics holding me back.

The exact opposite, Morrowind doesn't hold you back to do that, it only means that you have basic limits like you can win the game in 1 second, and can't blow up the continent. You could be a necromancer with a horde of undead, wearing plate mail, and use crossbow. However if you want be like that you have to pay the price, unusual character are harder to master.

On the contrary in Skyrim you couldn't really be anything but a shouting, dragon killing barbarian, what gets old fast. I can even finish the Morrowind main story 3 different ways, let alone the thousands of faction quests. Or is it hard to shallow, that you have mission what make you unable to do a mission of an enemy faction?

In Morrowind you have your choices. In Skyrim you have your directions.

ps.: he was the one who pressed the real life stuff by saying, in real life you wear light armor under heavy, then why do we have multiple armor types in the game, and why don't a heavy instanly knows light armor too.

I don't mean "Why wouldn't a plate mail wearer be an expert in leather," I mean "Why is that such an interesting choice that it is worth restricting the player's freedom?" Were I arguing on a "realism" basis, I would point out characters in all Bethesda games can wear the heaviest armor in the world indefinitely without suffering from heat stroke or exhaustion or dehydration. But I don't care about that, because that would not be a fun addition to the game.

I agree with Duke. I love roleplaying. When I get the chance to actually effectively play a character in an RPG it makes me all giddy and fuzzy inside. But my character is not interesting because I had to pick between Strength and Dexterity, my character is interesting because I have a self-imposed rule that my character only has one arm and so I can only ever have one one-handed item equipped. Or my character is interesting because I've decided he hates magic and he kills all magic-users on sight. Or my character is interesting because he is magically bound to never lethally harm another living being and so relies entirely on fists and summoned creatures.

Skyrim was a little too liberal with the number of invincible characters, and I found that extremely frustrating a few times. But even though Morrowind gives me more control over the game world, Skyrim gives me more control over my own character.

Also, like I said, Morrowind isn't fun for me and Skyrim is. We are each free to have our own experiences and they are equally valid.

NINJA EDIT: Fuck yeah though, I want unarmed back. Although the Skyrim VIKING!!! Challenge is still pretty great in an unintended way.

Objectively speaking, Morrowind is the best Elder Scrolls game and any opinion to the contrary is wrong.

Also, there was no reason to remove the Unarmed and Medium Armor skills, Bethesda.

I greatly dislike Morrowind's leveling mechanics but other features are better than Oblivion and Skyrim.

Also this thread can be summed up as:

Person A states his opinion.
Person B states his opinion that is opposite of that of Person A.
Person A states his opinion on why Person B's opinion is invalid.
Person A states his opinion on why Person A's opinion that Person's B opinion is invalid is invalid.
And so on.

Quote from: towerdude on July 12, 2012, 03:32:04 pm

By the way games should be judged in a certain context. For example Morrowind graphics in its time was the best.

Nope de nope, that doesn't really work for me. I remember thinking Morrowind looked AWESOME the first time I played it, but that doesn't mean the graphics have stood the test of time. Compare Morrowind to, say, Ocarina of Time- in OoT, everything was a little bit cartoony, and they decided to go for an anime/3D hybrid style. In Morrowind, everything is meant to look as real as possible with extremely limited technology, and that shows, most notably in the textures compared to polygon count of character models. I'm not saying I would have preferred a cel-shaded style or whatever, because the style definitely fits the tone they were going for perfectly, but the graphics don't impress me in any meaning of the word.

Also the gameplay. Morrowind is definitely my favorite TES game when it comes to the setting and writing and world map, but the actual gameplay is a total snoozefest for melee characters. Click click click dead. The magic system is cool, the alchemy is fun in a game-breaking kind of way, but when it comes to melee the animations are boring, there's no visual difference between a hit and a miss, there are very few tactical options in a one-on-one fight besides "click more" and "run away," and it just generally gives me a totally empty experience.

And lastly the skill system. There's too much. When I'm playing an RPG, I want to role-play, and I don't want to RP an accountant all the time. Why do there need to be three different blade skills? Is there really an interesting character choice being made when I'm deciding between Long and Medium blades, or Heavy and Medium armor? Shouldn't someone who knows how to move effectively in plate mail have similar knowledge of leather and chain, since you would wear them under plate anyway? Why do I make choices about starting skills in the beginning if those skills still start out ineffective on anything stronger than a mudcrab?

In Morrowind I see a game with a lot of heart and pitiful technical execution. I wish I wanted to play it, but no argument can really change that I don't have fun when I'm playing it, and in my book that makes it a bad game.

Quote from: towerdude on July 12, 2012, 03:32:04 pm

Quote from: Dariush on July 12, 2012, 11:01:50 am

I deleted Skyrim when I met a guy in Whiterun who just kept regenerating to full whenever I tried to kill him (something Greyback) after getting his breath back (when he's invulnerable) and Morrowind's graphics make my head ache (literally), so it's Oblivion for me.

Basically it's just one exe file from the net, install it on Morrowind and its expansions and it will look like Oblivion.

Nonono. I have that mod for my morrowind. It makes it a lot more digestible, sure, but like oblivion? Lulz.