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Really appreciate it; has made my dorfing much easier and enjoyable! 

One question, on the project page, where it says "see commit log for offset changes," if I don't know exactly what this means and can't find a 'commit log,' does that mean I don't need to worry about it?  (i.e. it's intended for modders or something beyond my skill level)

Also, I assume I can use this with 34.07, based on the project page?

i try to make note of the offset changes and their dfhack references primarily for ag as he's been generating layout files from the dfhack structures, which is incredibly helpful when updates are released. it should be fine with 34.07, although i haven't tested that version extensively, so if you find something amiss let me know.

Looks like a great update Splinterz!

I really like your role view, I was doing something similar with my spreadsheet... so nice!

thanks!

alright, new version!

• added new default military-alt view which includes individual weapon roles
• color coded the existing default roles tab to match the labor colors/ordering
• added a ton more default roles for individual crafting labors and weapon skills
• added teacher, student, armor, shield roles to default military tab
• added option to apply gradients on happiness, job and enabled labor cells
• grids/views remember their group setting
• updated sleep, beer icon and fixed milking job icon
• added option to show role information in skill columns
• column header text is always centered
• added option choose column header font
• cell drawing stuff is properly centered once again
• fixed cell drawing/painting (borders, sizes)
• pets are no longer butcherable, indicated by a red shaded square
• DF connection alert will occur immediately now upon DF exiting
• on break and idle will sort/group separately
• fixed a bug causing the details pane to show multiple dwarf details (i think this will resolve the re-sizing issue, let me know if it doesn't)
• fixed role sorting in context menus
• when changing a nickname the current nickname is shown in the edit box
• dwarf name on the details pane is now word wrapped

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it's not a problem to show more columns, i'm just debating whether it's worth trying to save the space or not, as literally every weapon skill column will be duplicated. it's the same reason i added the role info on the labor columns, it was just way too many columns in my opinion. maybe i'll just add another option to show the role information in skill columns and then people can choose the display they prefer.

i'm working on adding role information to the tooltips of the military tab columns, rather than a complete additional set of role columns as it's redundant. however this brings up a few questions on preference:

should i add armor and shield skills to all weapon roles (axedwarf, speardwarf..) or only the weapon skill itself?

should it be sorted by total skill experience, and then role rating, or sorted by whether they have any experience at all, and then role rating? the latter is subtly different in that dwarves with any xp at all are still at the top of the list, but they're sorted by role rating (labor columns currently sort like this).

the only thing that drives me crazy with the labor tab is that it's not in alphabetical order though! but having them match up would be a good idea..

yeah i considered creating separate roles for each weapon type, but it adds a lot of extra roles.. maybe it would be better to create a special military roles tab...

first, there's plenty of documentation on the project home site about the roles and how they work. second, it's still a weighted average rating for the attributes, and while it may change per role, the end rating for each role is relative to the population. you can still tweak each role individually as you'd like or create custom roles.

third, the game doesn't provide you with any indication whatsoever on who may be best for a job, however we do know (see the wiki) that skills and attribute can affect jobs. we also know that some jobs may be affected in different ways by traits (ie. rage for military, compassion or whatever it is for doctors). it's still subjective, which is why all the different weights are there to allow players to decide what makes up a good rating.

you bring up an interesting point about taking each component and valuing them equally. i don't know if it's necessary, and i also don't know how much of an impact it would have on the rating without doing some testing. as they're ranked relative to each other at the last step, i don't think it's going to make a difference in the rankings.

finally, no offense, but if you don't want other people chiming in on a public forum perhaps private messages would be more suited to your needs. personally i like to hear that for some people the roles are intuitive and they've got no problems as much as i want to hear the concerns of people who think it's totally inaccurate.