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That's not what a theory is, that's what a hypothesis is. Theories do have proof.

So I cant warn someone I think something bad is going to happen becuse I dont have proof?

Turns out, I'm already well-acquainted with the beliefs of Christianity. Even moreso than some Christians. I find religion quite interesting. Consider me warned.

It would make you a person who doesn't try to impose their beliefs on others and has respect for the fact that people see things differently than you.

We respect that, i dont mind you believing, I'm not FORCING you to changed I'm just telling you, like science pepole like to tell evrey one as well, that we belive this, and we dont think the other way is good for you as it causes harm
it's just a warning mixed with the storys of our lord to bring the good news, becuse I DONT WANT YOU TO GO TO HELL

you can say well "you cant prove it" I refuse to belie i have to "prove something" before I atempt to save someones life

No, see being a dick is when you tell me I'm going to hell for my beliefs. I like what I believe, of all the possible theories in the world not only do I think it fits what I want out of life best, but it also fits the evidence. No amount of words is going to change that.

Same for us, and you have on mutiple occassions told your side\your belifes, you how ever belive that when we die NOTHING happens
and so no harm, my side dont have that, harm dose happen

Look at it like this. What if I believe that Christianity is directly poisonous to a person's mental state? Don't mind that there's no proof for it, there's no proof for Hell either. How would you feel if I constantly went around saying "You guys are destroying yourselves with your beliefs?" You wouldn't like it, and rightly so.

I dont mind that, your telling me you feel I'm in dnager, even if I'm not, I'm glad you cared enough to tell me

There's a difference between trying to guide a person to what you think is best, to the best of your knowledge, and completely disregarding what that person wants for themselves. Let people be who they are. You aren't me, I'm not you. Let's agree to disagree.

Except in this case if your wrong I'm right, I did nothing, as far as I'm concern Christ should throw me in the depths of hell for not trying to help

i psychically cant live with my self if I'm the reason you did not get to heaven
i'm trying to guide you to what I think is best, to the best of my info.

What do you do when someone trys to go through a black hole? you try to stop them
when they try to sail around the world, that at the time, to the best of your info is flast, you try to talk them out of it
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thats ALL I'm doing here, trying to help as  many as I can

I believe science and religion are far closer then either side makes them

Each treys so hard to make the other one "lose"

like "this one answers this question" "but not this"

Why not just say maybe they both are "right"

And you probably won't.  I see it in prayer.

Do you think the bible is the world of God, or if Christ did or did not say that? (mistranslated, mistranslated)
or maybe yopu think the true God is more then whats in the book?

The part where you tell them they are going to Hell.

I think I know why we are disagreeing about this.  I firmly believe God will judge us each individually, not in lumps of "Christian" and "Atheist."
I think it's possible that anyone with a good heart can go to Heaven.  Maybe it won't happen, but I think if God wills it, it will happen.

And yeah, the Bible has many passages about Hell.  But I don't think it is the ultimate source of knowledge: God is.

Would you be open to show me why?
I'd LOVE to think God did that, but I just dont see the proof in the bible

if you dont mind, what do you think of Christ saying only those who are believers go to heaven?

I cant use a pen, schools are required by law to give me laptop or something or someone to write for because its THAT bad.
speach... cant say Sh, Ch, S, a few others, and my lisp is quite clear, so hard to understand, but more or less I'm fine with how I speak (lot less to go wrong there)

It sucks cause I cant say my own name right  stupid Sh..... 

Wolfy, your last post in this thread was very readable, and up to the standard of communication needed to easily convey a point. Every word in it is spelled correctly. You obviously have the potential to be a decent communicator.

My guess is that you slowed down, reviewed what you were doing, and took the time to correct any mistakes. Patience and perseverance, fellow forumite.

You would be wrong sadly, very common thing to suggest , spelling problems? MUST be going to fast. I dont blame the idea, it fits most, it just not my problem in this case
 
In fact, you will find short one or two sentences I can make, one can look at my words and see that I can spell many right, there are just some no matter how many times I type them out, sound them out, write them out, spell them out I don't get them right, no amount of writing for years "sheered" it in to my brain and to this day I cant remember how to spell them, or anything with them really

words like "diffrince" (not in that post) dose dose unverse, and many others, you will find very often my misspelling words can be put in a "list"

which with short and sweet senescence are not needed, but to have the type of convos we have here? the ones I'm not good at using are in them

and if you looked you would see all of those words just happen to be the "easy" words for me, I have some understanding of it, I can spell many words right, just so happens a lot of common, more "harder" words I cant, but they tend to apear in longer posts then short, if you look at my one or two sentences posts you will find most are right because its easy to stick to the ones I CAN spell, or at least use spell check on

We are not judging you, we tell you what Christ said

"All who believe in him have entarnl life"
"the only way to heave is through God's so Jesus christ"

we do not judge, we are not saying you go to hell becuse you did bad, we are saying you are going to hell becuse christ, who is God judge and said those who dont belive will

where is judgemnt? we are not better then you, we are tyring to help you

no judging

Quote from: Wolfy on December 21, 2012, 07:35:28 pm

If your talking as if MY God is real then read the bible FULL dont say "well cant use that" then use two others to claim heap of contradictory randomness, you will not find one that cant be explained by
A. error of man
B. your reading of it

The parts that insist God exists could be explained by human error too, so you have yet to demonstrate to us why you find the Bible to be such reliable evidence for God and free will.

also here are some defnitions
http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/omniscient

having very great or seemingly unlimited knowledge

another possibailty is he has inherent omniscience, whiche the bible suports as Jesuse, who says he dose not know the day the lord will come back, implys he "took" some knoldage away

please note it is STILL Omniscience

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omniscient
(Yes i know its not a "relabalie resoruce but the soruces are, use them, safes us all far more time

There is a distinction between:
inherent omniscience - the ability to know anything that one chooses to know and can be known.
total omniscience - actually knowing everything that can be known.

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There is no conditional "everything that can be known." If there are unknowable things, then nothing is omniscient.

That is one definition, in one place, I've cited two that are just as reliable that say other wise
Even then, your still wrong because your assuming these unknowable things = knowledge, is it kndolage to know the meaning of life? not if its an abstract thing that dose not exist

The bible never says God has either or, but its impled in Christ words and how when he was a baby he did not know everything

How ever

Omnipotence (unlimited power) is sometimes understood to also imply the capacity to know everything that will be.
Nontheism often claims that the very concept of omniscience is inherently contradictory.
Whether omniscience, particularly regarding the choices that a human will make, is compatible with free will has been debated by theists and philosophers. The argument that divine foreknowledge is not compatible with free will is known as theological fatalism. Generally, if humans are truly free to choose between different alternatives, it is very difficult to understand how God could know what this choice will be.[3] Various responses have been proposed to this argument. One possible solution is that God could know every possible life one might live, but allows for free will according to laws set in place that cannot be contradicted. God would know all possible ways to live and all the outcomes, but a human being with free will would choose which specific life to actually live out, one decision at a time. God would allow for the ability to choose, and to not have full power over all in what was chosen by a human being each step of the way. God would be all-knowing in terms of infinite specific details of every possible life you could live.

So this agument has been had, and guys way smarter then us could not agree on it, who are we to claim we know?

There are two possible types, the bible dose not give which it is, but imply IMO that he can chose, as Christ did

You may say "nope that dont work" and that's fine, I don't have to prove it to you, I'm just telling you what I believe
We both could go back and forth "yeah huh" "nu huh" but the fact is, people have fought over this, guys way more quaffed then either of us, and if they cant do it, I see no way we can.

you may believe you are right, but that is not a fact, its a belief, just like mine


It's very hard to say what I belive on here just because it is, but adding my bad spelling makes it worse, so I have to rely on other soruces both for me and you guys

Goes without saying, probably, but you are speaking for yourself here.

How so? have you heard them? there is a reasson you hear "fire and damnation if you dont go"
"Christ loves you" is it evrey single one? no but it is the majority, one can go through the bible and see where
OUR GOD COMANDED us to tell you about him, we are required by him to do so

HOWEVER he also says if they dont want to hear it then dust off your sandals and leave and so I agree they should read that part more