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General Discussion / Re: Atheism/Religion Discussion
« on: December 19, 2012, 05:44:58 am »
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If that is not bad enough for you, I don't know what is.
Whats so bad about being owend? its just a world in this case, in some cases you can say a parent "owns" a kid, pepole would not say it that way, but it very much is the same thing

kids work and dont get paid (always)
the parents care for them, provide them shelter and are to give them good life's
thats what slavry was in the bible and a lot of places back then

if the idea of "owning" some one magically makes it bad then all of government is bad

could they abuse the power? yes then its bad, same for a government, same for parents, same for anything like this

Put shortly, say someone is a maid, they live in the person house and all that
thats  the base idea of slavery back then, would you say thats bad?
owning" them dont make it bad, it just meant they where "their resonabilty"
(Kind of like how a kid can be adopted etc and often you have to pay money to adopt a kid)

the base idea of "owning" os not bad, kingdoms where built on it, would you say all kindomgs all evil and none what so ever good?

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DF Gameplay Questions / Re: World gen?
« on: December 19, 2012, 05:25:11 am »
the age and all the numbers are going up still, the map is still moving.
its working, just hitting the two dont pause\stop it

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General Discussion / Re: Atheism/Religion Discussion
« on: December 19, 2012, 05:24:17 am »

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I think you should check out what the quality of life was like for a Middle Ages villein. Yes, I would say that was pretty damn bad.
My point was it was not "bad" just that it was the norm back then in many ways.

And middle ages do not = Egypt times in anyway.



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Do you understand the kind of labor that was reserved for slaves? Manual agriculture is back-breaking and construction projects were even worse. Being forced to do something like that with no profit to yourself is pretty terrible, yes.
You do know that MOST presents could only get those type of jobs as well?

it was par for the course.

Also payment was a weird thing, they did not get paid no, but their needs got taken care of, many presents had it worse


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You realize that the Israelites also had hired servants, right? They were treated differently from slaves, which is why they were different and had different rules that applied to them.

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The fact that they had to make an injunction that stated a significantly injured slave needed to be set free suggests that, yes, beatings weren't as rare as your post implies.
I disagree, the bible also had rules on what not to eat, do you think that means it was needed?
God posted many rules, like sleeping with your sister, step sister and brother etc
they did happen to be sure but it dont make it frequent


Again I'm sure, like kings, there where many bad owners, but like kings there where also good ones.
the good ones are what the bibel says to be, so when you cite slavry pepole think of "evil" but this fortm was no more evil then a king owing evrey one in his kidnom


Remember the only thing required for slavery to = slavery is that you are "owned" by someone, nothing else is needed.

I'm sure many people lost their cool and beat their slaves, just like many lost their cool and beat their freinds\mothers by your logic since there are rules it means beating your friends and mothers where the norm?

the base point is study ancient slavery, dont use now days as its not the same



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That is complete nonsense. If you were a roman citizen you were the property of no one, but you could kill your slaves (and your wife and children) if you wanted to.
The idea that people were property of a king is also completely inaccurate. There are much later things like thralldom in medieval feudalism, but that affects only landowners, not necessarily nobility, and thralls were arguably still more free than slaves.
Slaves in antiquity were somewhat better off than slaves in the US, but could still be sold or killed which is kind of bad if you think about it.
We are referring to what the bible says, i do not deny there where bad ones

how about you guys show me some proof that slavery was as bad as you make it out to be?
Many have had this augment with me before, because they act like slavery has not changed it has.

Study up on it, Rome was bad yes, but Rome also did this to Free Jews as well and Christina and heck the entire population any time they took over, they were conquers, its what they did.
 

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DF Gameplay Questions / Re: World gen?
« on: December 19, 2012, 05:09:07 am »
I was messing around with Adv Gen and think I tweaked those numbers... but its been many hours since this started so I don't know, 9Ity may of been deomons) but if I had to guess thats it, so would hitting esc over and over have any problems?


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DF Gameplay Questions / Re: World gen?
« on: December 19, 2012, 04:59:23 am »
Sorry, you can guess English is not my cup of tea.

Put shortly the question was more of, whats going on, is this normal is it a problem and why is it still in the age of myth at year 934?

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General Discussion / Re: Atheism/Religion Discussion
« on: December 19, 2012, 04:57:20 am »
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Really, that is an extremely idealized view of slavery. They were still seen as property, and they still had no freedom.
Thats where your wrong, they had quite a lot of freedom, if you followed the OT, they pretty much where a work force andonly a work force for osmeone.

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The master was advised by the book to take care of them, but that doesn't mean they were actually treated that way.
  we are not talking how people did things, but what the book says to do.

its quite clear even those who follow it admit they do not follow it very well.
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The best degree of protection the OT gave was that a slave who was sufficiently injured by his master was set free.
there is WAY more to it

they say that because you are Not opposed to Hurt the slave to bad, just like it was okay to punish kids but not hurt them to bad back then, like how spanking at one time was okay.

You will find slavery was not bad by the world, they where property yes, but so where the owners, to what ever king ruled at the time, so it was not new

Would you say it was bad to be ruled by a king? if not then thats what it meant to have a master according to the bible

did they follow it to the letter? heck no, but the slavery the OT wanted was "nice" you hired a work force, they worked for you and you took care of them, no diffident then a king, are being the subjects of a king bad?



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I mean, it's not like we sit here and say "You know indentured servitude really wasn't all that bad."
But this was diffidence, even back then look at egypt, we are finding more and more the whips and chains of slavery did not happen as bad as it seemed, and many slaves where treated as a family member, its well recorded if you study history that slavers where just a bit under employs, but treated as family or at least treated well enough


It was not whips chains and beatings at all, that came later.
It was more of the way a king treated his subjects, which yes could be bad but could be good as well

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« on: December 19, 2012, 04:44:34 am »
By the way

Get yourself some sense of situation and know when to post your Anti PETA bullshit and when not to post your Anti PETA bullshit.


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General Discussion / Re: Atheism/Religion Discussion
« on: December 19, 2012, 04:38:08 am »
Really? why is that?  ???

Sorry, I'm not even going to pretend its not going to be a hard habit to break, i just did it twice already.

How would you put emphasis then?


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DF Gameplay Questions / World gen?
« on: December 19, 2012, 04:32:17 am »
so my world is at year 675 age of myth...
and its not responding to  ent or ESC to stop it, but it still "working" so its not froze or anything...

Weird.

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General Discussion / Re: Atheism/Religion Discussion
« on: December 19, 2012, 04:30:27 am »
The laws Jesus gave us? Which ones? The one telling you to not keep any savings because god will provide everything you need? The one that says do not use idols? Or how about how he says that all the laws of the old testament still stand, which advocates slavery and intolerance.

You don't follow Jesus' laws, you follow laws you like and that fit your idea of a good society. And you should do that.
Jesue never says they still stand, he says that the old cove net is replace by the new covenant, but the idea still stands basically
some things change (No need for sacrifices, foods are now clean, we are now called to be SERVENTS of evrey onbe else and be kind to all etc *)

*thats the BASI of how most read in to it, not evrey one dose.

Btw slavrey back then is VASTLY diffident form now days and the OT even tells masters to TAKE care of their slaves, and not to treat them bad

Once again many pepole read "wome submit to your husbands, dont read the next part that says man do the same and to love their wifes and treat them fair

they see slavrey dont see where God pretty much makes them pepole who live at your house you take care of and they follow your orders.

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General Discussion / Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« on: December 18, 2012, 10:42:05 pm »
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It's become common practice at protests for police to perform mass arrests, hold people for the duration of the protest on false charges, and then drop everyone's charges and release them when the protest is over.
It's also standard practice for people like that to claim "I did nto doing anything these charges are false" when they where not

Its also standard practice to lie about it

Again i do believe this stuff happens but not to the level people say it dose

So when police arrest people by the dozens, hold them by the hundreds, and then just drop the charges and let them go as soon as the event is over... your assumption is that the people must have been guilty of something?  That the city would rather pay the court settlement fees for mishandled cases, then actually carry out the charges, which would be cheaper and better for PR?  That the donations received from the parties involved in the event being protested have no connection to these practices?

And you accuse people of believing what they want...
What proof do you have of this happening?

I'm not beliving what I want, I see no proof of this happining, yes you always hear about it, but its never backed up with any proof show me proof

As for by the dozen being arrested and doing something to cause it or not, its not uncommon a lot of BAD protesters out there that ruin it for others, so yes I could easily see them hold them in till its over so they dont cause anymore problems then dont pursue so they dont have to go through the legal system,there is nothing wrong wiht that IMO

It's just like how when they sometimes let someone go when they could technically put legal charges on them, its just not worth it, but keeping them there is going to egg more people on

Do I belive cops are doing what i just said? Yes, I also believe some do what you said
but no where near the level your acting like it is

you claim its cheaper and better for PR PROVE it, going through court cost a LOT, and can be dragged out, in fact your side often uses that excused reverse claiming the cops slow the trials down so that the people have no choice to pay for it, guess what? it works both ways they can take hospital people off the streets let them cool down then let them go, not having to pay thousandth of dollars, or they could take them in and do that AND even have more heat form people like you who instantly assume "dozen get arrested? there is no way they did anything wrong!!!!!!"
We don't know what they did or did not do.


Put it this way, cops do it all the time at huge parades and partys, remove the guys who got a little to excited so more dont.

Are all of them doing it legally? of course not, but its far form "common" IMO

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General Discussion / Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« on: December 18, 2012, 10:06:37 pm »
If me spelling takes them more "seriously" then i don't want it, my spelling should in no way affect it and if it dose as far as I go its meanness then because a guy talking about flying hippos in the real world will be taken more seriously then i am. which i cant take seriously.

HOWEVER let me point out that my main thing is NOT the telling me to spell better, its doing it when only ONE world was slept wrong.

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It's become common practice at protests for police to perform mass arrests, hold people for the duration of the protest on false charges, and then drop everyone's charges and release them when the protest is over.
It's also standard practice for people like that to claim "I did nto doing anything these charges are false" when they where not

Its also standard practice to lie about it

Again i do believe this stuff happens but not to the level people say it dose
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So can you blame people for being a little aggressive in asking, "Who are you serving?  Who are you protecting?"
No, but its a stupid question do you really think cops, who are humans being like you and me think

"hmm I'm going to side with the banks on this I'm protecting the banks"?
Hell to be honest, I doubt most cops think of serving or protecting any one, not because they are bad but because like in the military most of them don't think of it as serving the government, freedom etc

who are they serving? the bank to watch over it, they get paid and they due it, but just like when I get paid to serve a man for what ever reason that in no way means I serve him in other ways dose it?

They serve the bank when they are there, they can also serve the people
Are some cops the way you said? yeah maybe, but not all of them because if they where then you would NOT have all the protest you do have and as long as they last

They are human, in fact there are likely quite a few who are on YOUR side in the sense of protest, others who dont give a care, and others who side with one for the money

But like many others, most DONT CARE, its not a governmental vs protesters and cops must pick a side, hell most of them are just thinking "please let nothing happen every time it dose I get extra paper work"

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General Discussion / Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« on: December 18, 2012, 09:47:21 pm »
But I dont think this is, to me the most obuvis one was the guys just did not want to talk, no harm there. IMO its making a mounting out of a mole hill

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General Discussion / Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« on: December 18, 2012, 09:35:30 pm »
If they're worried about stirring up conspiracy theorists, then they're not too bright.  They should know that the two worst possible responses in that case are either "I serve the banks" or silence.  They could say just about anything, and it would take more heat off their backs than just staying silent, which only encourages people to assume that the answer is something you wouldn't like to hear.
I've seen it plenty times, when they say no comment it means its true
when they say its not true it means its true
when they say pizza it means its true

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General Discussion / Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« on: December 18, 2012, 08:27:33 pm »
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What I got from the article is that the officers went silent on certain questions, indicating that the answers would be too embarrassing.
Maybe but if it was me, I'd be doing that for way more reasons such as
A. I dont know this guy, why would i tell him this stuff
B> lets be honest questions like that would make you think "conisprcy theroy" and if I tho-gut one was talking to me it be "uh huh" "dont know" "yep"


I just think pepole are reading in to this, under what twisted world do you think he picks a cop at random, the cop dont know him, and the cop is sopoused to answer everything?

If I walked up to you and asked these questions would you answer? maybe but most would not

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