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Because it and the other one look the same to me when I read, no matter how much I proof read it will look the same, and spell check don't say its wrong

I'm sorry for it truly I am, just like how I cant say Sh or what not in real speech, but just like that there is not MUCH I can do about it, more so over night it takes time 9and I've been doing this for over two decades so I doubt another extra day, week or  month will make it pop in place

No, it's mostly the fact that you're posting every two posts with unverified and unsourcable claims that you seem to think are fact, and lambasting it on anyone that comes across. This isn't your topic to grandstand your blind religious beliefs, kid.

you will see in evrey post that i can i post I admit that i CANT prove these, that right here shows me your not even trying to read my posts you see a christian on here and go "oh boy he is forcing his beliefs"
I have said mutpile times this is what I belive, as for why I'm every two post, excused people keep talking to me, am I just to "stop" because you, out of all those asking things or responding to me dont like the fact I, like them am posting?
also, I'm not "blind" I've said it a billion times, I could be wrong, a frog could be God, i may have the wrong God
that by definition makes me "not blind"


As for "unverified and unsourcable claims" neither side is doing that because you CANT have those in this type of talk, it's why this topic has raged for eons and will rage in till we can.

if your expecting them then you come to the wrong thread, no of us can "verified" there is no God or because its "Simpler" that it is the truth or that what we think is "simpler" is truly simpler

so last time, grow up and read the at least ten or some times I've admited I cant prove belifes, I may be wrong about them, and they are not facts, and then come back and tell me "I'm blind"

I also like it you make claims about me not doing sources etc, with out any sources, that's the DEFINITION of irony

Once again, prove any of your claims and I'll give you a real discussion. But you can't because you're woefully ignorant.

Sooo when have you EVER proved any of your claims? oh that's right... never.

Your the one who is ignorant, I said multiple times that i admit I could be wrong, you ignore that and claim I'm claiming I'm right and every one else is wrong

I'm not typing fast at all sadly.

Its going to take you effort no matter what I do, unless I use real simple words, and its just not possible in a topic like this. (before you say it, the ones in this post ARE the simple words)

I realize that its hard and I'm sorry for that, but I'm not speeding through or anything

but to atempt to make it more clear as best as I can in simple words as possible

God dose he exist? They claim that this is a question that needs to be answered that makes the "God path" more complicated, how ever,  if the answer is yes, then its not, and it affects yours, if God exists then you HAVE to add the question "Could he be the voices in our heads at time?" if the answer is yes then again you have to add more, to put shortly, for Eyre question of if there is a God in our heads it adds a question to BOTH sides.



I should point out i DONT believe god dose this, the bible shows Gods communication other ways far more often


Dang this was hard to type.... hard to replace so many words... not sure if it gets the full effect  with such small words, and the big words that where needed I cant use..

Sure, I sound like a prick, but this circular discussion has been going for 20+ pages and it's obnoxious.

so you open a thread that is ALL about that and you... dont want to read these things? its obnoxious to you? Then why open the thread? thats what this thread is ABOUT
you have no one to blame but your self then.

So "my faith blinds me" what proof do you have? what makes yours "over mine"

How are they valid?

you cant prove them and even if you use those, I can use an equal amount of things aginst the idea that all prayer is is your own throughts

and its not a "stwar man" its showing him he is shortten his own becuse its simple, I can do that to

The fact is both sides have COUNTLESS things we need to consider and can t possible even think of right now

its also a valid point that God MAY exist, so there is no reasson to say becvuse he MAY exist means he dont, so that question works for both sides
the idea he lvoes all? again for your side to be the "Simplest" this has to be untrue, so once again this has to be exsplained as yes or no on BOTH sides

You cant go

its God talking

list evrey single thing possible

its not God: and then "ignore" the ones that ALSO go to this one
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they are valid augments, but in till we answer them they can work for EITHER side, they are not just used for one side, you to have to disprove god, because if there is a God then there is a chance that it IS him
and then you have to disprove he loves everyone

your simplifying your side because you want it to be the simplest, I'd say its you who is bined blinded here, at least I admit, that those aguments can affect EITHER side depinding on what is the awnsert to them

So how do you know that?
where is the "fact" there?

You belive its true? so what makes you diffreint form him?

Dear Urist Mcworthless.

I realize you are not a fighter, I know you dont have combat skills, but some of the "creatures" you run away form you could step on with your big toe alone, your CARYYIN we-peons, its not that hard to kill it is it?


Dear Urist Mcworthless's Cat

Your just as bad as him, you walked past it eight times! KILL IT thats what your there for, one more time and you both are going to find mosnters to REALLY be scared of

Wolfy, I think you have made some mistakes there about how Science operates. It sure as anything does not strive to disprove God, and unlike faith based dogma clearly accepts its own limitations, and is open to being rewritten in light of new information.

Faith should also be open to chnage, our faiths have chnaged, we have chnaged with the times, we went form saying "world was made in 7 days no if ands or butts about it" we went form "God made men the way he is, no monkeys" etc

Faith knows its limitations as well, we admit we DONT know god fully, but atheist ALWAYS use the fact we cant explain everything as "proof" that God dose not exist, even in this thread I've been asked sevreal times to exsplain things, and if I dont have an awnser they act like its "cause God dont exist"
As for the second part of the post, the burden of proof has already been discussed many times in this thread and I see no need to go into depth on it here.
We always have to "Exspalin" how something happen in the bible, but atheist dont have to becuse they are "willing to admit they are wrong" 9Emplying we dont)

Faith is not a prerequisite for being a good human.

no one here said it was as far as I can tell.

If through faith you have become a better person, good on you. However, if it is the only reason why someone is a good human (NOTE: no impliciation that this is you or anyone else in this thread at all), then that is very shallow, and merely providing lip service to thier faith out of duty or fear. This to me seems slightly selifsh and only down to self interest (bibles in Ethiopa, anyone?), rather than through true altruistic intent (though admittedly people often only do good to make themselves feel good). Evangelising will elicit a negative response in people who really dont want an alternate way of thinking thrust upon them, no matter how innocent or positive you feel your motive is.

If they want to they are free to say "nope" and then there is no harm done, if it elicits a negative spot dont that mean they are   

unlike faith based dogma clearly accepts its own limitations, and is open to being rewritten in light of new information.

your not willing to hear MAYBE this guy has new info and maybe it will convince you, you refuse to hear, it dont want hear it, and when you do you get mad, not hearing our side and willing to be rewritten, so you first say "we are open" then deny to hear us, dont want to hear us, and not willing to think we may have new info...

Quote from: Wolfy on December 22, 2012, 09:43:40 am

I refuse to belie i have to "prove something" before I atempt to save someones life

If by saving them you mean getting them to believe in Jesus and his associated religious practices; then it is, in fact, a necessity to provide enough evidence to make someone believe that you are correct.
It's not as if someone can choose what they believe. As I've said before, it's just something that happens based on the knowledge someone has.

No its not, not for me anyways, an exsample, science might one day "prove" the world will end, but its to complex (like god) for many to understand or want to




but those who truly belive that they science and advanced findings, which are so complex its quite easy to mistake, to be right
would it be wrong to try to warn pepole and tell the?

I belive pepole pick what they beli9ve, i PICKED to believe in christ, instead of saying "Oh they are forcing me to follow them" or "No proof" or "God dont exist, you have no proof, he is not real." (dispite the same thing could be said on the other side

I listened to them, evrey other one that came to me, and atheist and with the info I had I CHOSE the one I felt was best by comparing facts, what we know, and what makes sense.

FACT: Science has not disproven God
FACT: Science "assumes" a lot that faith dose, like they ask "where did God come form who made him?" but then they are fine with saying we dont need to know where the big bang came form.
Opinion: I can not, wrap my head around the idea of all of this just "happening" I dont see how laws could "just always be there" a God? its a God thats what it dose, but laws require careful exact rules to be followed universe wise, that to me says there must be SOMETHING, maybe not a God, we may be an off spring of an old race form a diffreint unverse or something

I picked this, I chose to belive, that's the problem many have, they feel like "it just has to happen"
very few pepole EVEr "just belive" they have to make an active effort, try it, and dont exspect "God give me a car" or other ways to "test" gods power to work

Just like I'm not forcing you to go with me to church I'm simply telling you what I belive WILL safe you form a fate so bad, tell me how is that "bad"
I'm not sayign your "wrong" and I'm right, do I belive that God is real? yes but I have no proof and therfor is not a fact, I'm not acting like I HAVE to turn you, I just have to let you know what I belive becuse if I dont, then your damnation will be ON ME if I turn out to be right


Tell me can you honestly blame someone for not wanting that to live with?

You are mistaking your own conscience for messages from an ancient, eldritch creature from beyond the universe.

You have no proof of that, you can not with Science disprove his claim, so you, like him believe its one thing, with out any proof
Who are you to say what it is or not? you where not there, do I think it was God? I dont know, the bible dose say many will be lead astray, so maybe he is right and the rest of us are wrong

you just did the thing you said he did

But justifying anything with unverifiable assertions is neither comforting or correct.

You can not verife it was him or not, therefor you have just done the same thing