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So there is the heart of the issue. Looks pretty obvious to me that the issue is with Denmarks whole approach and perception of immigrants being basically exactly the opposite of what it should be.
Counterpoint: The existence of Sweden
When I say opposite that is not what I mean. Also bad memes are bad.

Have I managed to wall of text a LW discussion and get a single line in response? Are you sure your the real LW?

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread
« on: July 03, 2018, 05:46:11 pm »
It would be nice is America being stupid lead to Europe building a proper unified army. I can hope.

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*Starts reading*

Issues with Denmark and immigration

1. Categorization of immigrants and decedents of immigrants
Effectively this issue is a typical one of not recognizing immigrants and children of immigrants as Danish and permanently marking them out as different. This has the effect of alienating them and not allowing them to be accepted and integrate.

2. False perceptions of cultural homogeneity
A general false idea of a historically homogeneous Denmark that did not exist. Denmark had until quite recently a very diverse population and experienced considerable immigration. In a general sense as well the formation of modern Denmark has progressed in such a way that the rejection and loss of foreign influence and possessions creating an internal focus is heavily associated in the minds of people with the social progress they achieved. The homogenization of Danish society historical is associated with urbanization in the 1960s.

3. Perceptions of immigrants beliefs being a threat to the welfare state and Danish values
Cultural homogony in Denmarks case is heavily linked to specific ideas and not social conformity. These core ideas are broadly, individual freedom, personal choice, and social engagement. They feel the immigrants do not share these values and perceive the functioning of their welfare state as being reliant on everyone having these values. As such Denmark feels very strongly that all immigrants must be integrated into its core values. They assume that said immigrants do not share their values and also that alternate values must be corrected to ‘proper’ values. As immigrants are otherwise perceived as a burden and a threat to the welfare state by the Danish.

4. Historic perceptions of immigrants
More recent immigration of so called guest workers shaped the perceptions of how immigrates were ‘supposed’ to act. That is grateful to Denmark but not treated with equal status. Also assumed to be temporary. Later they were cast as unemployed and living in isolated ghettos. The causes of this is the treatment of the immigrants by Denmark was ignored. This then began that assumption of them needing to be properly brought into ‘Danish values’ which they were assumed to lack. So the public has an image of a immigrants as having great differences from the ideal Danish person which later grows into people assuming irreconcilable differences. Focus is therefore all on the immigrants and not Danish society itself as the problem.

5. Xenophobia
Obviously all this has lead to lots of xenophobia and racism and a rather hostile attitude towards immigrants. Even Danish researchers have focused on trying to find the reason for non-integration in issues with the immigrants differences. So they have an entrenched scholarly bias against immigrants to go with the public bias.



So there is the heart of the issue. Looks pretty obvious to me that the issue is with Denmarks whole approach and perception of immigrants being basically exactly the opposite of what it should be.

I too can wall of text. Your in my field now.

And that was just a summery of 18 pages out of over 200.

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Not allowing kids to have any of there parents culture is a terrible idea. There is a specific name for when that happens, dissonant assimilation. It is associated with basically every negative effect on both the child and parents you can think of. This is well known to people who study assimilation.

This reminds me of that massive book I found on the Denmark immigrant situation. Book as it very large scientific book. I wonder what it has to say about the specific issues in Denmark. I also wonder if any politician has bothered to read it.

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread
« on: July 02, 2018, 10:06:21 pm »
Interesting note here as this seems to have turned into the impromptu religion discussion thread. the flood story is one of the bible stories that is actually written twice slightly differently in the bible. The reason is one was the common version and the other was the priestly version. They compromised when compiling the old testament by putting them both in. Quite interesting.

Flood Version 1:
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Flood Version 2:
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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« on: July 02, 2018, 05:57:48 pm »
Are you an American? You could always join the armed forces. Or the peace core.

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread
« on: July 01, 2018, 09:05:14 pm »
If a person is born with an instinctive drive to blindly follow something greater than themself, religion offers a very convenient way to fill that hole and live a life of blissful ignorance. They never need to worry about moral certainty, or individual purpose; they just have all the answers handed to them, along with a dogmatic imperative not to question those answers when they don't make sense.
If a person is born without that instinctive drive, they are more likely to struggle to find meaning and satisfaction in their life. Being thrust out into a big wide open world with no clear instructions or goals is chaotic and confusing.

Of course, like most human attributes, this instinct is more of a spectrum rather than a on/off switch. And individual circumstances will vary. Still, it makes sense to me that god-nerds would be happier on average.
It is perfectly possible to be both religious and not a blind follower but instead make a conscious, considered, and deliberate choice of belief for your own reasons. And the inverse applies to the non believer as well. So your assertion of spectrum would appear appropriate to me. It is also common for the non believer to still be a member of the community of believers. To hold on to the spirit if not the letter of the hope and place that belief and community bring. As a species we are and always have been both spiritual and community based. Fulfilling those ancient needs unsurprisingly leads to that happiness that people so long for.

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I can't wait to say 'I told you so' when they end up not leaving.

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread
« on: July 01, 2018, 04:32:05 pm »
It's perceived as an attack on there "rights." The reality is however that it's not. It's an attack on their privilege by finally extending all the rights enjoyed by Christianity under freedom of religion to, gasp, other religions. Happy holidays seems to just be a focal point for the backlash.

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You can come up with endless possible reasons for things but without any evidence, and more importantly a falsifiable hypotheses, they are totally worthless. You might as well say the flying spaghetti monster an not aliens and it's no more false.

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread
« on: July 01, 2018, 12:55:08 pm »
That might also explain the constant ranting of the conservative media about the comparatively rare extremest liberals. They just end up seeing "SJWs" and such everywhere even though such people are very uncommon.

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You must gather unto yourself the Unholy Toupee, a brochure to Mar-A-Lago (fresh is best), and a golden effigy of the smallest of hands in order to summon Ab-Tru'ump the Corpulent to this plane. Draw your circle using finely crushed cheeto. Be sure to have the proper offering of an electronic device connected to twitter ready, lest he devour what sanity remains in you.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: June 30, 2018, 01:36:40 pm »
Other interesting cultural influences are that the founder of surf guitar Dick Dale, was Lebanese, and the scales he was using are all from middle-eastern music. His music also influenced a ton of heavy style guitarists later on. So, yeah, the rarely credited influence of Arabic music on the heavy guitar sound.

EDIT: I found my new favorite 60s band

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxPsXPCR5MU
You have to work to fail that hard at music. Good god.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« on: June 29, 2018, 02:14:55 pm »
this is why i wanna be a robutt

Wish granted.

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread
« on: June 28, 2018, 07:21:33 pm »
Also, letting things get worse before they get better is the accelerationist position, though I know that's not what you mean.

Accelerationism is exactly what I was referring to. Though I should note that it's not a stance I intended to promote, merely a concept I feel is worthy of conversation. If a small number of sacrifices in the short-term can save a significantly larger number of lives in the long-term, then isn't the lesser evil the only ethically justifiable path?
The big problem with ends justify the means is that often the ends never happen and you are left with the terrible means. This is how good people do horrible things.

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