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I use large 30x30 stockpiles for certain things that will get made non-stop and I find that it starts getting filled with supplies on the complete opposite end of the room.

I'd like to suggest adding an (o)rientation or a Stocking (o)rder, so you can control which side and possibly corner to begin stocking from to minimize walking distance for haulers.

Select the side which you'd like them to work from
Top, Bottom, Left, Right.
Then like an archery target specify from which direction.
Left to Right, Right to Left, Top to Bottom, Bottom to Top.


In the mean time, my solution is a Logistics Chain to use instead so they'll fill the closest to the door first, and then work outward as they fill up.
The stockpile closest to the traffic area is set to take from the next furthest, and that one is set to take from the furthest of all.


Sorry if this has been suggested before, I tried to look for similar ideas before posting.

Is there a listing of all the different user releases for Therapist?

Since mainly I seem to be using Splinterz releases, for simplicity's sake I'm looking for a spot to check for a latest release pushed by him if there is one, rather than browsing through the thread each time to check for the same. If there's not I'm fine with browsing as necessary. Just thought I might inquire and see if there is listing of sorts


Thanks for your hard work guys.

This is trying to add complex problems to something that already has a solution.

Sounds to me like the opposite.

Multiple reservoirs, smaller chambers, multiple pumps vs a flood gate that has a 1-7 setting via the [q]building menu.

Also, the goal is not filling reservoirs to a certain depth. It's to keep 7/7 water from going over a waterfall and smacking dwarves and getting them soaked. Or leaving water puddles behind for contaminants.

The only thing only opening a floodgate halfway would do is cut the rate of flow.

That's exactly the point. "Liquid flow regulating floodgates".
The only conclusion I can think you came to is if you thought I wanted to keep the depth of water beyond the gate from ever rising above what the gate was set to. This is not the case. Of course the pressure will equalize on the far side of the gate regardless of what it's set to. The idea is to control the speed of the water, its flow through the gate. I don't expect doing that to change how it acts beyond the speed at which it will do so.

=The suggestion!=
is that floodgates can be set to allow a certain amount of liquid through them when open.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbgyppGqBgg&#t=38s shows off an example of the functionality I refer to. (yay Princess Bride!)
Please note: This only limits the depth of the water initially coming through the gate. Should the water have nowhere else to go, it will rise above the level setting of the gate until pressure equalizes.

I think the setting would be best applied at the floodgate itself, in the [q] building settings as 1-7
Default set to 7 so that original functionality applies unless otherwise specified.
The level it's set to will be what it opens to when activated by a lever.

It may be a bit more complicated but perhaps there could be two settings for what it's set to when off or "closed" and what it's set to when on or "open"
Defaults being  off=0 on=7
This way it could have even more functionality.

=Applications!=
-Misters and Waterfalls without risk of overflow or too much splash causing puddles of water for contaminants to dwell in.
-Allowing enough water into a channel for a pump operator to work with but not so much that it will overflow should they arrive to late or leave too early from their pumping duties.
-Cleaning hallways of traps of their debris but not risking as much flood if flow is left unattended.
-Create swim training chambers with safer water depths for unskilled swimmers! (I have no idea how swimming works at any depth so this is just a guess)
-Build life sucking torture machines so that you can... Just Kidding!

=Speculation and unrefined part of the idea=
-Not sure how it would work if the setting is changed while the gate is already open. It'd be nice if it would change on the fly when already open, for simplicity's sake as Player Made systems utilizing the functionality will probably require some fine tuning of different flow levels. But if for whatever reason that doesn't work in the coding, a cycle of opening and closing would suffice.
-Ideally you'd change these settings at the lever as that's where its controls would be at, but since levers can be attached to countless things, it seems like it would complicate things way too much unless the settings would specify which floodgate they were for. Much like how they're listed when one is to be selected for connection to the lever. Being able to alter settings in both locations would be even better. I've always wished levers would list what they're attached to in the event that you forget. I always design my switch rooms so that they're locationally reminders of what they're attached to, so this happens rarely for me.

>Thanks for reading the idea!<
>There are many other things I'd rather see DF add and fix before I'd want to see these added but I still think it's something that'd be welcome in DF.

Thanks again~

Quote from: brucemo on March 23, 2012, 10:03:36 pm

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I just downloaded the DT with role suggestions and have some comments.

I have two guys, both of whom are legendary miners +5.  They both started simultaneously and worked in the same burrow, going from 0 skill to legendary +0 in dirt, then moved to stone, and I watched them.  I have to say, the most important thing (and possibly only thing) about a miner is agility.  I've seen this several times.  In the race to legendary, which is all that I would think is really worth caring about, a more agile miner will win by a mile, because they move more quickly between dig sites.

Here they are:

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            Kubukdatur Otungerib
Willpower       1,269     1,015
Strength        2,104       762
Toughness       1,552     1,414
Endurance       1,198       808
Spatial           879     2,267
Kinesthetic       433     1,051

Agility           818     1,397

You have to drill out about 15 11x11 rooms in order to hit legendary from zero.  When the second guy hit legendary the first guy still had to dig out like four or five more rooms, so when the second guy had dug out 15 rooms, the other guy had dug out 10 or 11, I think closer to 10 actually.  So the second guy was like 1.5x faster.  The second guy was sent to dig stone while the other guy stayed in dirt, so the second guy slowed down and the other guy caught up quite a bit.  Even so the second guy was 1500 experience ahead when the caravan arrived.

Unless spatial sense and kinesthetic sense are really that important, it's pretty obvious that agility wins here.

I have a snapshot taken at embark, and you rate the first guy at 60.5% and the second guy at 53.01%, even though the second guy was dramatically better.

I would weight agility massively higher in your system -- as is, you don't even include it as an attribute for a miner.

Thanks for the suggestion.  You have to understand the .ini file is tweakable.  Splinterz made up the .ini based on the wiki for attributes and did an enormous job coding them in.  It is completely customizable as users may want to apply various tweaks, I made a close combat dwarf modded role: http://i39.tinypic.com/2nia4ht.jpg

Since there are differences in opinions, it's probably impossible to make a single document that covers everyone's contributions, it could be done though... maybe a pastebin .ini?

How awesome would it be for a sub-interface to create roles inside DT itself?  Slider bars with minimum and maximum markers to set acceptable ranges for skills attributes and more for a specific role. Minimum is probably all that's necessary for most roles but I can think of instances maximums might also be useful. Check boxes for jobs and skills and sliders for the skill level acceptable. Same for attributes. Or even better, add skills/attribute from list to the role so it's not a huge list of checkboxes. I wish I knew how to make this happen on my own. So exciting to think about the possibilities.

Thank you so much for this amazing program. With roles, attribute averages and more, it's growing and being more useful with every release.
Truely awesome.

I feel rather silly now only finding the name option after having suggested it.

Still, since I do most of my visual scanning on the units menu, I would like to see it change their names to English in game as well. It would maintain continuity between what DT is showing and what you'd see in game. Otherwise I think it might present a new issue of getting mixed up with who's who because of it showing the name differently than in game and in DT.

The bottom to top option is a massive improvement. I can spot them more easily by their starting letter now.

Thank you for replying and your patience with my failing to thoroughly check the options first.
Also, your setup for showing the above and below averages for attributes is awesome. I've been recommending your build for that any time I can.

Hi, I've got two suggestions for features I'd like to see in the Therapist

Firstly, I'd love to see the job listings at the top of the GUI get shown at an angle, as shown in the example below.

I thought this up and made the example long ago but never got around to suggesting it. I've pretty much become familiar enough with the jobs to not desire the easier readability of them, but it would still be nice and possibly appreciated by others.

How I'd like to see it in DT: An Icon around the top left corner of the job names area to toggle it on/off and or a checkbox in the options to do the same.


Secondly, I'd like to be able to toggle whether the Dwarves' last names appear in game and in DT as Dwarvish or English. This is due to Otin Waterbends being more easily remembered visually scanned for than Otin Fialdasorenering.

I use custom profession titles to better sort my Dwarves but sometimes there are still two similar names in the same profession or squad. I've actually got an Urist Ustuthduthal and Urist Ushriringtak currently in the same squad. If their last names were in English I think it would easier to see them separate. As for nicknames I don't care for them as they need be manually applied in addition to and are superfluous to custom profession names. They're also unpleasing to look at. I still appreciate their functionality, I just don't have a use for them personally most of the time.

How I'd like to see it in DT: A checkbox in the options to "Show dwarf last names in English" and a right-click option over a specific dwarf to "Show last name in English".


I decided to make these suggestions upon the agreement of another Here and Here
Thank you for reading my suggestions, this is my first post so if this isn't the place to be making suggestions I apologize and will remove the post to make it where appropriate.