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hmmm... ok, got an idea for the flyers. you'll need some marksdwarfs for it, and of course fortifications, but in theory if you release them, a crossbow bolt to the face *usually* won't kill them in a single shot. you may be able to get them unconscious at least semi-reliably before they die, at which point they should plummet to their death, hopefully from the fall rather than from the bolts.

it probably won't be 100%, but i imagine it's better to start from, say, 60% effectiveness and then let the other 40% of them rot. and heck, probably someone will refine this idea at some point.

Ok pisskop, I'm kind of on the right track concerning indentification of Vamps, but I have one more question.

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I have a cave in the middle of my above-ground fort but I cannot access it as the cave is in the middle of a river as well. Does that mean the natural underground cavern is a few feet below it? Let me repeat: it does not open up to the ground.

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It turns out that Logem my talented grower (disposable as well, already training many dabblers on a mega farm.) is a vampire, since she has been on detail in front of the gate where goblins come out of for about 6 months already. And yes I am planning on using her as point for all the other marksdwarfs.

sounds easy enough. lock her up in a separate part of the fort, have her airlock food to the main part of your fort and send the seeds back when you're done with them. if your fort is anything like the many i've built, farming is a task that quickly gets vastly more productive than needed anyways.

I would recommend just leaving him outside forever. Or smashing him, yeah. I'm pretty sure that wooden bridges DO care about fire while they're lowered, though, so make sure that isn't a problem. Of course, why would you be using valuable wood for literally anything other than beds, you damn dirty hippie?

is it acceptable for making spikes to pit elves onto as well?

you may find this handy:

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=100585.0

I'm disappointed that no one has mentioned magma as a solution.  Just force them to channel into a magma sea so that they fall in and get washed away into the great great depths of the abyss.

my understanding is that this is unsuitable for mass disposal due to the fact that dwarfs will sometimes notice the previous dwarf (if they haven't been destroyed by the SMR yet) and report them as missing. this is much easier to control with an atomsmasher because you know the second it drops, whatever was underneath is *instantly* gone forever.

also, i'm pretty sure plants never stink anyways.

but yeah, i'd stick with the coin idea.

out of curiosity, have you looked through your refuse orders? might be something screwy there...

So I know we confirmed seeds and ruled out mugs. Has anyone got conclusive data regarding socks or similar items yet? Because, yeah. I like using seeds for farming, personally.

ok, well, thread has a volume of 20 vs the volume of 10 for seeds. so far as i can tell, the density of silk or yarn is 500, but there is no indication of the density of seeds that i can see so far... if they count as ordinary wood, they'd be density 500 as well.

alternate possibilities include earrings (volume 3) and rings (volume 5), especially made of willow (390 density), candlenut (140) or feather tree (100). there is presumably also an unspecified other kind of tree between willow and candlenut; the table i found indicates willow is the 4th densest kind of wood. ordinary wood (whatever that means) would be density 500 and also should work.

however, i think the easiest to mass produce would be leaves. leaves are volume 5. digging through the raws, they are likely density 1200 however (the density of structural plants by default, apparently), but still... that should be 6,000 and the seeds (checking the raws) are likely density 600 for a total of 6,000 there as well, so quarry bush leaves (so far the only kind of leaves) would make an acceptable substitute afaict.

on closer inspection of the raws, plant thread is likely 1520 density, and therefore unsuitable. i suspect most plant fabric clothes will be likewise unsuitable, though their increased mass may be adequately counterbalanced by what is likely a very poor armour penetration ability. however, socks and gloves are listed as size 10, so silk or yarn (surprisingly) should work... i think. plus, they should probably have absolutely terrible attributes for armour penetration (see the ongoing science thread elsewhere on projectile vs armor science), which i expect would help nicely.

if you're feeling particularly cruel - and who isn't on these boards - loincloths and thongs are also size 10. although that's probably only dwarven ones... the good news is, goblins should be making smaller ones, which should therefore be lighter (oh, and leather is also density 500 by default... should be even lighter than seeds, oddly enough?).

hmmm... now i'm stuck wondering about how dense soap would be, and whether or not you could dump some soap and water into the mix and call it a dwarven laundry machine...

so... it looks like various forms of dirty (goblinite) laundry are useful in the armor training popcorn machine. although, on the other side of things, putting seeds into the popcorn machine just feels right.