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@assaultsuits They are in the Aux section. They are piloted, not worn.

@gauss rifle
Well, I based my opinion on them both being straight out of the Altered Wars. Honestly, especially since we are not going to take all those crates of them to the new universes, they really deserve an update. I'd even break my rule of not tinkering deathtubes to give one an overhaul - but would rather give my notes to someone else willing.

@Laser rifle/Cutting laser/FEL - Well, my solution would be to recreate a Spektr as a 3-token weapon (Laser rifle + generator + some slight additions), and in that role it would fit exactly with a generator-fed laser rifle. Remember, focusing aperture and all that stuff has been really cheap for blaster weapons, so I see no reason why it can't be here as well.
Cutting laser/Raduga is probably the same, but I can see some use in creating an intermediary laser weapon (say, 6-token one) that is fed off blueshards but still cuts in sweeps, not pulses. Kind of a "carbine cutting laser" - lighter, cheaper, probably not weaker (because of the scientific advancement and all that jazz).

@gungnir electrolaser Good spot! Yeah, since it can be created from a Spektr, I guess it can still be kept - or can it be adapted to work with blaster weapons? Anyway, needs a lot of rework and reconsideration, for a number of reasons that have been listed.

@longcoat I think it's just obsolete? I mean, it's quite outclassed by many newer creations, etc. How about we just created a new "cloth armor"/"cloak" item from scratch? Perhaps even Avatar fabric could be thinned down a little, or something.

@Milnoplate helmet
Good spot! Yeah, all things considered, I think it could be added as a separate item. Armory is going to be decluttered enough that we could affort it - and it would really help with survivability of newcomers.

@Handlaser What others said. Well, we might include it as a cheap laser scalpel in a new Emergency Kit/Advanced Kit, but as a weapon it is rubbish.

{{AL|3,5,7,10, or 13|Human Brain}} RESTRICTED/??
Well, it's not that it should be restricted itself, rather that it goes with manips that are going to be restricted.

{{AL|1|Monoatomic Razor}} MODERN/A
Possibly B+. Well, it's hard to beat the utility of a 1-token weapon.

{{AL|1+|"Brisant" Hand Grenade}} MODERN/B
As the weapon, as the grenades. Good, solid. Maybe A, even.

{{AL|2|Electrostick}} MODERN/B-
C? I fear that most enemies might be insulated against such electricity. It has its uses, but compared to the monorazor it's a bit niche.

{{AL|2|Eighth Kiloton Charge}} MODERN/A
B+? Good, ol' football of death. Still very useful, in no small part thanks to its price.

{{AL|2-3|Aster-Ex}} MODERN/B
Alternatively, OUTDATED/B if we can reverse-engineer that orange jelly explosive.

{{AL|1|Smoke Bombs}} MODERN/B
Relatively niche, but at its price it can afford that.

{{AL|1|Basic Hand Grenades}} OBSOLETE/B
Almost the same as Brisant ones, but those have a few other varieties, have extra electronic bits (proximity safety, etc.) and can also be used as ammo with Brisant.

{{AL|1|'Sticky goop' Grenades}} MODERN/A
Good, very versatile, unique effect. Would probably roll in with other grenades, though.

{{AL|1|Electronade}} MODERN/B
Maybe A, no idea - haven't been tested in the field yet, I believe.

{{AL|2|EMP Grenade}} OUTDATED/B
Not Brisant-compatible, niche, but quite useful. Would enjoy a slight redesign for compatibility and modern-tech update, I think.

{{AL|3|Kinetic Amplifier}} MODERN (RESTRICTED?)/B
Former MODERN/A- (with the usefulness increasing in correlation the character progression, so always important and up-to-date), now slightly worsened with unpredictability. Is this one really restricted?

{{AL|3|Microwave Field Manipulator}} RESTRICTED/A
Mass Murder Manipulator. What else to be said?

{{AL|3|Force Monosword}} MODERN/A
I might be biased, so it could be B+, I guess. Still, the latest word in melee warfare.

{{AL|3|Swiss Army Pimpknuckle}} MODERN/A-
Maybe B+. It's only "drawback" being that this is not a straight weapon, really. A long-awaited technician's best friend! But probably best moved to Aux section, as such (where, say, the Cutting Torch resides).

{{AL|4|5 Second Reset}}MODERN/A+
How much this costs, once again?..

{{AL|4|Matter Saver}} MODERN/A
All hail Space Magic 2.0!

{{AL|4|Monoatomic Machete}} MODERN/B
Generally slightly worse than the force-sword, it has its advantages and thus still useful, I guess.

{{AL|4|White-Hot Club}} MODERN/??
I have no idea how useful this thing is in melee combat.

{{AL|5|Ghost Blade}} MODERN/??

{{AL|5|Tesla Sabre}} RESTRICTED (UNAVAILABLE)/B+
Former A-. This could cut battlesuits!

{{AL|7|Crowd-wire Gloves}} ??/??
I don't remember this weapon. Was it added among the newest batch of items? If not, it is probably OUTDATED.

{{AL|7|Kiloton Charge}} MODERN (MISSION EQUIPMENT)/B
I have a feeling that all nukes from 5 tokens upwards should be a mission equipment. Maybe, if we could create a 4-token kiloton nuke, it could have personal uses, but otherwise I feel they are going to be procured only when the mission specifically requires them.

>{{AL|7?|Mass Manipulation Field Manipulator}} RESTRICTED
We should add this already, even if it's restricted. Because it is almost certainly available (well, restrictedly available nowadays, but still), but is hidden for some reason.

{{AL|8|Magnetic Field Manipulator}} RESTRICTED

{{AL|8|Stake Driver}}??/??
Don't remember this one either, but unless it has a kin-amp it's seriously underpowered for its cost. And if it has one, it's use has been decreased and might even be RESTRICTED now.

{{AL|10|10 Kiloton Charge}} MISSION EQUIPMENT/??

{{AL|10|Solid Light Matter Generator}} MODERN/??
Spaaace maaagic 2.0!

{{AL|12|Gravity Field Manipulator}} RESTRICTED

{{AL|14|Vector Field Manipulator}} RESTRICTED

>{{AL|10?|Neural Connector Psychokinetic Amplifier}} RESTRICTED
>{{AL|15?|Organochemistry Overrider Field Manipulator}} RESTRICTED (OBSOLETE) (see in Exo)
>{{AL|15?|Organo-Tissue Dominator Field Manipulator}} RESTRICTED
Because true wizards base their fleshwarping powers on Med, not on Cha.

{{AL|15|Megaton Charge}} MISSION EQUIPMENT
No, really. 15 tokens for a one-use bomb? For using which Steve might pat you on the shoulder, and throw a few more tokens your way? Mission equipment.

{{AL|16|Kinetic Shunt}} RESTRICTED(OUTDATED)
We should really rummage through the AM's files, find the upgraded Shunt, update it with a little bit of modern tech, and release instead of this one.

{{AL|20|Universal Field Manipulator}} RESTRICTED

{{AL|2|Tentacle Graft}} MODERN/B
Possibly OUTDATED. I mean, come on, can't we think of a way to upgrade that tentacle without increasing its price?

{{AL|2|Empathic Gland}} MODERN/B
A+ for Exo/Med people. A dream come true for some, a piece of moderately useful equipment for others.

{{AL|2|Force Infuser}} MODERN/ ?? (A- or B+)
If it really works, it's cool. But it still needs more field testing.

{{AL|3|Microwave Psychokinetic Amplifier}} RESTRICTED

{{AL|3|Exotic Pimpknuckle}} MODERN/B
Or possibly A-, depending on how much pimpmetal is there. Useful, cheap, non-space-magic Exo weapon. What else to wish for?

{{AL|4|Haber's Implant}} MODERN/A- (B-)
Depends on whether you find the decreased resistance to the forces beyond worth the additional powers. Still, quite unique in what it does.

{{AL|4|Toxic Symbiote}} MODERN/??
I have my reservations about the usefulness of this thing, but we'll see.

{{AL|5|Elemental Infuser}} MODERN/??

{{AL|5|Extraphysical Cutting Aura}} MODERN/??

{{AL|5|Micro-Servitor Manipulation System "Sandbag"}} OUTDATED/B-
It... has its uses, but we really need to experiment on removing the limits of this item. Because with them, it might as well be D+ for what it's worth.

{{AL|5|Pimp Cane}} MODERN/ A-
Might be B+ instead. A stylish, versatile weapon that is not Origin-linked yet clearly defies quite a few laws of physics as we know them.

{{AL|6|Demigod Touch}} MODERN/??

{{AL|6|Universal Limb Collector}} MODERN/??
Seems interesting, but needs more data.

{{AL|7|Mass Manipulation Psychokinetic Amplifier}} RESTRICTED

>{{AL|8?|Magnetic Field Manipulator}} RESTRICTED
Because Exo users also deserve the chance at playing Magneto.

{{AL|7|"Mindfuck" Gun}} MODERN/C+
I'm a little disappointed with this one, as while it has its uses (and might even be B+ in some cases), it has some very noticeable limits, and is quite expensive for what it does.

{{AL|8|Haebi Limb}} MODERN/??

{{AL|8|Id Manifester}} MODERN/??
Could be A+ to B-, depending on how well it works. We'll need some more field testing.

{{AL|8|Symbiotic Hive}} MODERN/B
There are some real limits to its use, but it has some perks.

{{AL|10|Neural Connector Psychokinetic Amplifier}} RESTRICTED

{{AL|10|Black Halo}} MODERN/B+
I'd rate is an A, but it has some serious limits, unfortunately.

{{AL|10|Electro Psychokinetic Amplifier}} RESTRICTED

{{AL|10|White Mask}} MODERN/A+

{{AL|12|Gravity Manipulator Psychokinetic Amplifier}} RESTRICTED

{{AL|15|Organochemistry Overrider Psychokinetic Amplifier}} RESTRICTED (OBSOLETE)
Funny enough, I think this is the only amp ever that might be obsolete - because of the Dominator one, of course. Unless this one has its specific uses (in which case it is strictly niche), it is unfortunately outclassed.

{{AL|15|Organo-Tissue Dominator Psychokinetic Amplifier}} RESTRICTED

{{AL|17|Vector Manipulator Psychokinetic Amplifier}} RESTRICTED

{{AL|20|Matter Converter Psychokinetic Amplifier}} RESTRICTED

{{AL|20|Universal Psychokinetic Amplifier}} RESTRICTED