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Quote from: Nikitian on September 23, 2015, 07:17:17 am

Quote from: Parisbre56 on September 23, 2015, 07:06:43 am

Hey, people on mission 21: That thing uses symbols and movement, right? It's like it's focused on appearance and theatrics. And which skill concerns itself with those sorts of things? Charisma. Therefore, your best chance of success is speech rolling it and/or challenging it and its puppets to a dance off.

The big problem is that I don't think communication is possible with it. It's alien, after all.

Then again, indeed, dance off is culture/species-transcendent. 

Challenge to dance off!!! Dance. Off. Danceoff!

*looks up mission cheatsheet*

Hey, Doomblade187! We've found an activity your character could do to help here!

@Sean Mirrsen Welcome back!
Unfortunately, I can relate to much of what you're saying. It might or might not be general ER tiredness speaking in me, though.

Fortunately, I'm not that tired of Heph work specifically yet. I'll take it up and oversee the new appointments if you still want to leave Hephaestus or go NPC with the current character. Find a way that works the best for you, and good luck. 

@Lenglon
That explanation in Tinker thread finally made sense. I'm sorry for not seeing it for what it is earlier.

The big problem is, I don't think we've had any dedicated scout characters or mission roles, so that's what fumbling. However, the idea as it is is quite sound, so I think it can be incorporated in teams structure the next time you are invited for a mission. Can't speak for RC or Caellath, of course, but if I'm ever to command another mission again and you volunteer for it, I promise to use you in your primary role, rather than "makeshift mainline amper".

How are you gonna get it out when you're done transporting without making a massive explosion?

Sean's way, for example - use ice as the projecting material, then melt it as needed. The forcefield dissipates without explosion.

@Radio Controlled I think you're missing an obvious application of forcefield technology in containing those spikes. All in all, forcefields are vacuum made solid (hehehe...), from what it looks, so with full coverage it might be even possible to hold spikes wrapped in thin forcefields in bare hands. Assuming the projecting material configuration allows that.

Welp. There goes the first perma-death on M21.

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Player conventional vs Enemy amp becomes much more effective
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side effect: fights against enemies like the Amp Specialist no longer require the Amp Specialist to flat ignore conventional attacks, making conventional attacks upon such boss enemies viable.

Please check this with Piecewise. There is absolutely no indication in his post text that he wants to introduce that particular spin, I'm afraid (he mentions "having to find ways to let non-exo/uncons have fun too", but that might or might not come, and the poll itself mentions nothing on the matter). The question is: would you still vote "yes" if both parts I quoted remained unchanged instead?

Quote from: Execute/Dumbo.exe on September 21, 2015, 11:03:05 am

I THINK YOU GUYS MIGHT BE IGNORING SOMETHING.
AS IN WHAT DO THE NON AMP AND MANIP USERS GET OUT OF THIS DEAL.

Realism! And if their SM-using teammates are duking it out with enemy SM-users using magicsense, neither side is probably paying too much attention to ordinary bullets or lasers, are they? Could even make that a drawback, magicsense reducing non-SM awareness when active.

And this comes back to the fact it would prompt far more commonplace space magic duels. I think we had one, back in the Assault on Hephaestus, and it wasn't pretty.
Basically, do we want to demote non-spacewizards to spacewizards' aides/sidekicks/bodyguards? To be fair, I don't find that sort of a game unappealing, but it is certainly a very different setup from the semi-"equal opportunities" thing we had going for Con and Exo users. If we are to accept this change we should see it for what it is: finally and inevitably changing the face of ER combat. Not a bad thing in itself, but something not to be decided lightly.

In all honesty, at this point I am actually willing to side with Devastator on noting that space magic should be ultimately offensive in nature. Defensive space-magic just runs counter to how the magic has been established so far. Having space-magic-negating automanips and other stuff is just enough.


Hmmm. Piecewise, could we go the other way here? How much of a change would it require to say that both enemy ampers AND PC ampers have to go the "flashy" way? Because of carefully thought-out reasons, of course. (Maybe because of it being drastically more difficult for precise and finely-controlled space-magic than was initially thought; that, and making indirect, remote-camera-kills attacks far, far more difficult to pull.)
The continuity would be largely preserved ("Flashy" is the HMRC way, certainly), and for lore reasons (the AM space-magicking style, for example) the option still might be on the table for ultra-high-level space wizards (say, skill level 5+: even skill level 4 is easy enough to obtain, given genemods and appropriate starting skill distribution).

I'm three minutes into the video, and it already hinted that the Apocalypse would be Einsteinian Roulette-related! 

It's not about seeing the emotional responses. It's all about the empathy, about perceiving the truth directly!