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Mafia / Re: Cybrid 5: The Tunnels of Mars - Day 3: The long black and the dying light.
« on: June 22, 2012, 09:15:55 am »
RL Happened.

Will try to read and post within an hour or two.

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Mafia / Re: Cybrid 5: The Tunnels of Mars - Day 3: The long black and the dying light.
« on: June 21, 2012, 06:20:12 pm »
I think Urist has most of the scenarios covered. I'll try to list them all out, for completeness, though I in no way vouch for the probability of each. Feel free to correct me, I'm sure I'll mess one or more up.
Spoiler: Possible Teams (click to show/hide)
I'll look it over and try to post again tonight.

PPE: Hah! Guess he wanted to have fun.

PPE2: He was last active yesterday an hour or two before the night ended. I'm sure he'll show up.

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Mafia / Re: Cybrid 5: The Tunnels of Mars - Day 3: The long black and the dying light.
« on: June 21, 2012, 05:40:42 pm »
Urist: I sent in an Overseer post request to GG. It should either say "Hapah the Snowman" or be a picture of Frosty the Snowman, depending on how much fun he wants to have with it, I guess.

Will double-post.

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Mafia / Re: Cybrid 5: The Tunnels of Mars - Day 3: The long black and the dying light.
« on: June 21, 2012, 02:34:21 pm »
No time

Dar: Humans converted to Cybrids lose their original role, right?

ZU: I got a PM about it

Toaster: Thought I did. Dar.

Claim: I'm a Snowman.

Ask any questions you want, don't think I will be able to post again until after work (~4-5 hours from now)

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Mafia / Re: Cybrid 5: The Tunnels of Mars - Day 3: The long black and the dying light.
« on: June 21, 2012, 01:16:57 pm »
Actually, Tir couldn't have been an Enforcer and made it work.

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Mafia / Re: Cybrid 5: The Tunnels of Mars - Day 3: The long black and the dying light.
« on: June 21, 2012, 01:14:13 pm »
ZU: M'kay. I'm 99% sure it's left first to right last, because it wouldn't make much sense if kills happened before protects and blocks.

Dar: Maybe, just maybe, Tir was an Enforcer who got turned? Maybe Think was an Enforcer who got turned? Maybe Think is, or was, a doctor! There are potential reasons. But hey, I'm just a fucking idiot! What the hell do I know, I'm not a classy motherfucker like you.

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Mafia / Re: Cybrid 5: The Tunnels of Mars - Day 3: The long black and the dying light.
« on: June 21, 2012, 01:03:12 pm »
ZU: From the opening post

Additional Rules:
Action type order:
Invites -> Blocks -> Protects -> Investigates -> Converts -> Kills

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Mafia / Re: Cybrid 5: The Tunnels of Mars - Day 3: The long black and the dying light.
« on: June 21, 2012, 12:55:49 pm »
I've got no reason to believe that Toaster wasn't blocked N2, as I believe I was blocked N1 (I wouldn't know anyway, I don't have a night action). Don't know why Urist would lie about one and not the other.

I don't see a 7-2-1-1 setup being absurd, especially considering that one of the neutrals is basically both flavors of town. I believe it's really an 8-2-1, which seems rather typical. It could have been a 9-1-1 with some conversions, I suppose.

And I've learned my lesson on trying to speculate why there was no kill last night.

And self-righteous zeal? Hardly. I'm just excited!

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Mafia / Re: Cybrid 5: The Tunnels of Mars - Day 3: The long black and the dying light.
« on: June 21, 2012, 12:39:17 pm »
Toaster: Makes sense to me. What sort of question is that?

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Mafia / Re: Cybrid 5: The Tunnels of Mars - Day 3: The long black and the dying light.
« on: June 21, 2012, 12:28:16 pm »
What an interesting turn of events!

And see, Dar, this is exactly the sort of thing I was concerned about. Toaster says that you didn't convert him, and BAM, you try to tie him up with a bow. But I see the trap now.

First, your "everyone claim so I can call you a liar" post. You leave yourself the option to say that anyone answered the wrong way. Anyone. Toaster just went above and beyond the requirements and made himself look absolutely terrible.

Second, in the same post, you misinterpret the setup. It's not three scum in a game of eleven, it's two scum and a glorified SK. You sidestep the possibility that there actually ARE two real Cybrids, because:

Third, Think is a Cybrid with you. You line up the person that answered your question "wrong", then get your "Imperial" friend to confirm.

Beautiful, Dar. Simply beautiful. By the time your target flips town, a NK evens up the score at 2-2. Your statement in this post makes it seem like we can just lynch you if you lie, but that's patently false: It will be 2-2, and the town will be at your mercy. It all makes sense to me now.

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Mafia / Re: Cybrid 5: The Tunnels of Mars - Day 2: And it's a long, long way down.
« on: June 21, 2012, 10:21:39 am »
Dar, it's half those odds, because the Cybrid could take a shot in the dark and has a 50/50 to get it right. And even then, it's only those 20% odds if both people that you targeted are still alive (which I think they are, based on your post, but I can't be certain).

And the reason I don't like it is that it gives you the ability to drop the hammer on anyone. You could say that any person gave the "wrong" answer, and then they've got a hell of a lot of suspicion to get out from under. Even if you just gave who you targeted without telling your alignment, I'd be happy: You still get to catch the same people in your trap, and I can dial back my paranoia a notch.

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Mafia / Re: Cybrid 5: The Tunnels of Mars - Day 2: And it's a long, long way down.
« on: June 21, 2012, 09:22:32 am »
We just might pull this off.

Toaster: I think you or Dar one is full of shit. From the OP:
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Zealots and Persuaders can convert each other (if not officers). If they do, the other player becomes a Zealot/Persuader, as appropriate, rather than maintaining their original roles. (Whatever they do, they do it with full passion!) Converting a sympathizer will change his superficial alignment (how he appears on investigates) but will not change his sympathizer status or win conditions.
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It's worth noting that both officers are dead. Which means either A.) You didn't really try to convert him, you cybrid bastard or B.) You failed to convert him because he IS a cybrid.

Oh, and no worries about low D2 participation: RL happens. It's happened to me most of this game.

Dar: You're asking an awful lot. To catch a Cybrid in the lie you would have had to both target them, and they lose the coinflip and claim the incorrect role. More importantly, it gives you the ability to implicate anyone you choose just by saying "They got it wrong". I can't say I much care for it!

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Mafia / Re: Bring Your Own Picture Mafia 2 (8/16) Day 3 (MOD REPLACE WANTED)
« on: June 19, 2012, 08:55:57 am »
Rocks form Voltron, Voltron wins.

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Mafia / Re: Cybrid 5: The Tunnels of Mars - Day 2: And it's a long, long way down.
« on: June 18, 2012, 08:24:28 pm »
It rubs me the wrong way to see you flip allegiance like that. I know it's in your best interests, but it doesn't mean I have to like it. I wonder if you can win with the Cybrids. Hell, I wonder if you are even a Survivor.

Looks like Tiruin is up. I'll leave the vote there to stop any vote-swap stalemate foolishness (I think mine makes it 5-2). If anyone can make a convincing case as to why we should lynch ZU over Tiruin, now's the time. I'll keep checking in until day ends.

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Mafia / Re: Cybrid 5: The Tunnels of Mars - Day 2: And it's a long, long way down.
« on: June 18, 2012, 06:51:10 pm »
Damnit, ZU.

Unless GG says otherwise, I'm going to assume that you can't win with the Cybrids. Looking at the role in the OP, it seems to say you can win with Rebels OR Imps, but it doesn't say a thing about Cybrids. Confirmation from GG would be great, but I'd think you would be 110% certain before exposing yourself like that. If you can win with the Cybrids, then good on you.

I don't follow your reasoning for trying to get everyone to lynch Dar. It helps your wincon if you are certain that he's an Imp, sure, but you're counting on Rebel votes. At this stage, I believe everyone has more enemies than friends. If the Rebs did go along with you, they'd just end up as Cybrid meat the next day. It is in both the Imperial and Rebel interests to lynch a Cybrid today, as they are the dominant foe. Why you think the Rebels will both reveal themselves and make a boneheaded bandwagon like that is beyond me.

I can kinda understand the revealing yourself as Survivor if you can win with the Cybrids. You want to make sure you don't get killed in the night, and you want to try to prove your worth to the dominant faction by lynching a "confirmed" Imperial (even though you'll never get the votes). Okay. Sure.

I'm torn on who to lynch. Tiruin doesn't look spotless, but ZU has openly cast his lot with our mutual enemy. If Tir gets lynched and flips Cybrid (or GG says he can't win with Cybrids) we might get ZU back on our side, but if Tir flips anthing else we're completely screwed (best case is a 3v3 stalemate assuming 2 Cybrids) unless the stars align for our Enforcer and Doctor, assuming we even have one of each.

We've still got....about three hours? I'm going to go home now, I'll get back on once I'm there to see what I've missed.

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