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Well gee, that's... pleasant.

Nar the Strifeful Laws is a deity of The Sweltering Ceiling.  Nar most often takes the form of a rotting female dwarf and is associated with disease, death, war and fortresses.

Thought I'd look into the viability of beekeeping as a primary food source, took a look at my new beekeeper in the new world and he's an ardent worshiper of that.

Neat idea, but you could probably fake it on a small scale by loading raising drawbridges with boulders or other heavy junk.

20 years with 20 dwarves sounds kinda boring.  I say take the initiative.  Invade the circus.

The idea is that when dwarves run off to retrieve something, they grab a container from the catcher stockpile for that job, not the stockpile that's feeding the farm or whatever workshop is involved.  That way farmers and crafters don't often have the problem of somebody running off with a container holding the item they wanted to use.

This was more interesting than the rest of the discussion:

Quote from: Nyan Thousand on June 01, 2012, 08:54:11 am

I don't play D&D because my pastor said it's the devil's game.*
_{*just kidding, my mom told me that}

d&d was proclaimed to be evil (yes it actually was) for the same reason as rock and roll, and computer games were. It was new entertainment that teenagers liked, and therefore it's bad. The fact that it has had devils on the cover of the books certainly didn't help either, but in the vast majority of d&d games the players are the good guys. It's just the DM that gets to be the evil overlord of the 9 hells.

Hmm, maybe I should stop DM'ing before I damn my immortal soul!


... personally I think World of Warcraft is much more likely to be the devil's game than d&d. I haven't heard of anyone getting addicted to d&d to the point of completely ruining their life.

As I understand it from certain painfully religious relatives, anything that's interesting in any way, shape or form is a tool of the devil.  It distracts you from reading the bible and kissing divine ass 24/7.

Well, a lot of that goes into what they look like. Goblins are ugly creatures. Elves, however, look more agreeable, if a bit androgynous. Also, elves are smarter than goblins.

Ugly is in the eye of the beholder, and elves aren't always smarter.  They aren't in the sourcebook I took those quotes from, in fact, they aren't smarter than anything which doesn't have an Intelligence penalty (gobbos don't).

Not hypocritical nor arrogant?  Everything they have that isn't cloth is made of wood, yet they get butthurt over anyone else using much wood.  And before they quit saying anything at all, they'd presume to come in and make demands and restrictions on other races' behavior in their own homes, as if it was their gods-given right.

This is just a screwy bit with the recent hauling updates.  It will most likely be smoothed out in a later update.  In the meantime, you can reduce dwarves haulblocking other dwarves by disallowing containers in stockpiles with high turnover.  You can also try using a catcher stockpile that will take from anywhere, and another stockpile that only takes from the catcher, and only gives to the workshop that needs the goods.

Elves in DF strike me as a lot like elves in many other games and fantasy stories, except without the benefit of an elf-friendly narrator.  At the best of times they seem to be hypocritical, arrogant jerkwads who can't back up even half of the cool stuff they're credited with.  They get away with plenty of evil, or at least unpleasant, stuff because they're the designated good guys, even though they don't act it.

Consider the Combat entries for Elf and Goblin in the D&D 3.5 monster manual.

Elves are cautious warriors and take time to analyze their opponents and the location of the fight if at all possible, maximizing their advantage by using ambushes, snipers, and camouflage.  They prefer to fire from cover and retreat before they are found, repeating this maneuver until all of their enemies are dead.  They prefer longbows, shortbows, rapiers, and longswords.  In melee, elves are graceful and deadly, using complex maneuvers that are beautiful to observe.  Their wizards often use sleep spells during combat because these won't affect other elves.

Being bullied by bigger, stronger creatures has taught goblins to exploit what few advantages they have: sheer numbers and malicious ingenuity.  The concept of a fair fight is meaningless in their society.  They favor ambushes, overwhelming odds, dirty tricks, and any other edge they can devise.
Goblins have a poor grasp of strategy and are cowardly by nature, tending to flee the field if a battle turns against them.  With proper supervision, though, they can implement reasonably complex plans, and in such circumstances their numbers can be a deadly advantage.

Pretty similar tactics and general sense of fair play, which is none at all.  The elves are admired for the same thing the goblins are cursed for, apparently for no better reason than they're elves.