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Researching ancient Greek/Mycean gods and suddenly imagining myself back in a city of the time, during a thunderstorm at night, observing the lightning strikes which inspired the bundle Zeus carries.

Times like that are when I am most... observant, in my beliefs.  Is that timeless?

Or when sickness plagued those self-same cities until one man said 'this is not the gods, go thee religious hence from my cave of healing' and accidentally founded modern medicine, giving us his Hippocratic oath to mutter against fools and charlatans.

Edit: Unless the tone wasn't clear, I'm deliberately pontificating.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you mildly upset today thread
« on: February 14, 2024, 11:56:56 am »
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Considering how nearly all of Europe didn't know that North America even existed for most of the last 2000 years, I find it hard to imagine how any idea would be able to be conveyed around the globe.  Today, that can happen in minutes.  While you are correct in assuming that I am no historical scholar, this still seems like a significant difference to me.

Let's imagine your bad idea was posted online in English. In China, it would only be accessible by "fewer than 10 million Chinese, or less than 1% of the population, [who speak conversational] English."[1] Before Europeans dabbled in America, there were only between 50-100 million Native Americans.[2]

This means that today there would be roughly 1.4 billion people in China alone who would likely not be able to access the original English. Now imagine if the bad idea was a tweet in Irish...

So yes, an idea could be spread across the globe in minutes (assuming everyone had access to the internet/smartphones, which is itself a problematic assumption). But there are certain natural barriers to comprehension and understanding, whether linguistic or even cultural. A tweet saying 'relax, dude' from a Californian would be interpreted in a vastly different way from its intent by, say, a Tibetan monk.

Arguably, from ancient times until even the 1800s it may have been easier to convey ideas. The educated elite who wrote letters, treatises, pamphlets, books etc. almost exclusively wrote in or understood either Latin/Greek throughout Europe and the Middle East. Granted, it wouldn't take minutes to get from Ireland to Istanbul. But once it did, it would be fully understood, copied, talked about, (and possibly declared heretical, hah).

To conclude: ye olde communication might have more steps than it does today. But it still allowed one person to shake the world.[3]


[1]https://www.chinahighlights.com/travelguide/english-levels-in-china.htm
[2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_the_Indigenous_peoples_of_the_Americas#:~:text=Population%20figures%20for%20the%20Indigenous,of%20100%20million%20or%20more.
[3] Or, at least, the subsection of the world capable of receiving, understanding, and caring about the message.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you mildly upset today thread
« on: February 13, 2024, 06:07:09 am »
The isolated nature of pre-industrial communication helped to contain bad, yet convincing ideas, keeping them from spreading to the whole world.  Today, 1 person can say something that can impact just about everyone in a matter of minutes.  The same is true for good, yet unconvincing ideas too.  But sadly, there doesn't seem to exist many ideas that are both good and widely compelling.  I'm mildly upset about this.

I think you're grossly underestimating just how viral ideas were in pre-industrial times.

Heresy was typically the product of one individual, and its implications were felt much further afield than its place of origin.

Our sources for commoner 'viral' ideas are more sporadic, but there is evidence that commoners (see: Wat Tyler) could shape the zeitgeist of their nation.

Also there's the obvious issue with your statement - - - what constitutes 'good' and what 'bad,' and why should you get to decide?



Edit: Feel free to correct me, but I'm assuming you haven't had an introduction to pre-industrial history? No worries if you haven't, of course. It's just that your argument sounds like it proceeds from a common misconception concerning that era - in that it was a time of 'not having' and 'lacking' what we have or take for granted today.

In some cases this is correct. They didn't have smartphones. But they were not without sophisticated means for communication - whether parody, satire, comedy, politics, peasant ideology.
Quote from:  John Ball, some random peasant priest c. 1381
When Adam delved and Eve span, who then was gentleman?

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you mildly upset today thread
« on: February 12, 2024, 06:28:41 pm »
Yea, the controversy surrounding easily publishable material has existed since at LEAST the printing press. Notably with the pamphlets etc.

But there's an argument to be made that letters (single sheets of paper/parchment, easily copied and composed) filled a similar role even before then.

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Nah, that stuff seems quite durable.

I would say 'yea, it outlasted Lizz Truss!' but that's not exactly an achievement.

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Congrats, None! That's by far the best thing.

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Existential angst has left for the day, hooray!

But where did it go? Did it just fade into the void which lurks behind each of us as an unseen shadow beneath our feet???

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More likely the Hand.

But, to needlessly clarify, my hair edges on black. Not red.

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Ehh, yea, I get that sounds a bit boasty. I don't think it's that I'm overly attractive, though - just that I come from the 'exotic' land of Northern Ireland.

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Aber ich habe nur seit fünf oder sechs Monate Deutsch gelernt, und ihre Eltern und Großeltern sprechen nur ein bisschen Englisch. Einige von die Leute da, gar nicht Englisch sprechen  ???


.....

Yea it's entirely possible that I just butchered the German language.

But thanks LW  :D

Apparently her aunts are super keen to meet me because I'm super hot............ which I wish she hadn't told me, cause now it's gonna feel slightly awkward ahah

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Headed to Germany for a quasi-spontaneous trip from Thursday to Tuesday.
Gonna see my gf in her uni city, then head down to meet her parents again.

...

Then go to meet 20 of her other relatives for the first time.

Okay so the last bit belongs in the 'Terrified' thread ahaha

But I'm still super psyched.

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Vielleicht irgendwann  ;D

The irony is we're both really tall, so any offspring would not in any way be considered 'Dwarfy Ones.'

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My girlfriend's over from Deutschland :D

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Spoilers for the Toymaker episode ahoy.
XXX

It does mention that there was a 'myth' that this occurred before. Either Gallifreyans could occasionally bigenerate, or the Doctor in a pre-memory wipe incarnation already did it (be interesting if that were where the Master came from, eh?)

Besides this, I don't know if 'reproduction' is strictly the right word. We know the Doctor reproduced in a presumably more conventional manner (resulting in his granddaughter), so it's not the biologically available form of reproduction.

Furthermore, would cloning be more accurate? The Doctor's Daughter was only so-called because she wasn't 100% Doctor. The new Doctor is entirely Doctor.

I also remain uncertain as to the mechanism of this regeneration. Did the Doctor asexually split in a mitosis-like situation - - - or did the regeneration somehow drag the 'future' doctor into the present through some timey wimey stuff? We could still see Tennant die and regenerate into whatshisname.

After all, this newest doctor says he's only so bouncy because Tennant worked through his issues. This strongly implies he possesses future knowledge.

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Verily forsooth I vouchsafe on my honour as a gentleman and the confidence of my dearest ancestors, thou hast given me a choleric temper - an imperative response is demanded. Put down your sword lest I be given casus belli to muster the men, stiffen the sinews, and like the dreaded tiger roar and let loose the cats of war. Heed this ultimatum, else my rallied-bannermen shall be funky freaky, and a little bit sneaky fresh upon your house!!!
Oh, now this on the other hand I am better with.

Forsake thine history-laden tomes of Shakespeare, hoary knave. Furthermore, wight, spit not your twinned-viper venom at the throne, lest my good mood be not the only imbalanced humour in the chamber.

Let loose the hue and cry, jaded jester, and succumb to your vaporous personality. For mine own hosts rival those of Oberon, and count among their number good men and true, who can prove that their fathers did beget them in England, where their limbs were forged.

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