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Hmmm, I believe they did it culturally in Scandinavia. More 'can't afford to feed this child? Too much a girl? Leave it outside.'

The catholic church permitted it depending on whether the child was baptised/had a name.

If it had a name, then there was a possibility the dead child would return to haunt those who abandoned it.

https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/11/23790923/facebook-meta-woman-daughter-guilty-abortion-nebraska-messenger-encryption-privacy

Someone's going to jail for refusing to have a baby.

Dear God man, by your implied sympathy I can only assume you didn't look into this. It is repulsive in the most extreme.

'The charges include having an abortion after 20 weeks, false reporting, and tampering with human skeletal remains.'

The mother-to-be was 17, and the granny-to-be acquired the pills for her. They burned the body and buried it in a field.

These charges, by the way, apply to the granny-to-be. The mother, Celeste 'now 18, was charged as an adult and pleaded guilty in May to removing, concealing or abandoning a dead body. She is scheduled to be sentenced on 20 July. She faces up to two years in prison.'

In other words, she doesn't appear to be convicted of abortion so much as hiding the burned corpse of her child.

Beyond that, she was 29 weeks pregnant.

A foetus at that stage has a working heart, brain, limbs, etc. It can hear and react to noises outside the womb. For Christ's sake, it's only two months before birth.


To sum what you seem to assume is a tear-jerk story of woman vs impersonal machine:
The mother-to-be is (potentially) going to jail for hiding a body.
Her mother is (potentially and rightfully) going to jail for encouraging/supplying the means for an abortion, lying, and hiding a body.

On top of this, the abortion came at 29 weeks. That's.... abhorrent.

The earliest a baby has been born and survived is 21 weeks and 5 days.

Depends on how quickly it's injected.

Quote from: Magmacube_tr on July 06, 2023, 05:26:24 am

"Rule 34.whatever: If it exists, it is someones fetish."

[stares at ship of Theseus lustily clutching carpentry tools]

[wandering farmer pauses]
Hey, that ain't no drill to screw. It's my feckin' hoe.

As an update to the above, I said these things while addending that, while I liked her, I wasn't interested in a short-term or long-distance relationship atm.

I was fine with this at the time, but am now feeling increasingly melancholic.

Emotions suck.

Drive her before me until either she converts or meets the True Maker in the afterlife?
(Edit: or treat her like he did his daughters??)

In fairness, she is German.

The issue was 1) substantial age gap, 2) she's leaving for home in like 3 weeks.

And I guess 3) I was oblivious until she sprung it on drunk-me last night.

I feel like if you're worried about legislation, then you know it's potentially dangerous - and therefore probably shouldn't do it.

Hmm, nope. For someone whose joy is in kicking over sandcastles, I'm not giving them the politeness to handle mine. They'll find a reason whether you give them one or not.

Ehhh, I agree that sometimes you need to defend yourself. In practice, though, life is full of grey areas. And sometimes, you end up attacking someone who doesn't deserve it. This comes to mind.

Politeness should be exercised where possible, until the alternative is forced on you.