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Everyone: You are the jailkeeper, and the cop has claimed and been proven right.  Do you protect them or no?

If they request jailing, then yes. Otherwise, it comes down to whether or not I suspect someone is scum (I need a jail target), how many scum are left (two or one), and some WIFOM - "Would the scum target the guy that might be protected because they assume that I wouldn't do it, assuming they would pick a different target, or would they target someone else, assuming that the jailkeeper is safe?"

Question to everyone: What would be your preferred alignment, town or scum. Why?
TheDarkStar: Which would you view as more scummy, when someone is lynched because someone voted them, breaking a tiebreaker, or because someone withdrew their vote, and ending a tiebreaker? Why?

1. Scum, since it's fun watching everyone get really confused while you lead them to lynch each other. Of course, most of my games so far have been as scum, so I'm biased towards them.

2. Mostly not scummy: Breaking a tiebreaker. I'm fine with it as long as they give a good reason for it. If they do it without a good reason, it's scummy.

Semi-scummy: Withdrawing a vote to end a tie. It's acceptable if both people are suspects or if the guy who unvoted is proven innocent.

Scummy: Lynch trains with no good reason. There's almost always at least one scum player in that lynch train. Everyone who didn't have a good reason is suspect, and the people who do have reasons who voted later are also suspect.

I think you're too green, but if your patience, skill, and experience can be vouched for by others then I will change my mind.

Everyone, speak your minds on what you think of me!

I'm in a few other games, but they are going really slowly. I think I'll be in this one. Also, I want to be an IC if Jim Groovester approves. I've learned quite a bit since I started playing 3-4 months ago.

Tiruin:

You keep defending Cado, even when you say you aren't. RangerCado has personally claimed Evil and Meteor Summoner. While lynching Leafsnail does have it's reasons, as you have been insistent on pointing out, I can't think of any reason to leave RangerCado alive today. Here's why:

-If you lynch the guy who is less likely scum first:
     -Person who is likely scum lives another day, while it's unlikely you actually got a scum player.
-If you lynch the guy who is more likely scum first:
     -Person who is likely scum does not live long enough to take another action. There is also more time to decide on the other person.

I can't see any benefit whatsoever from lynching Leafsnail today and RangerCado later, rather than the other way around.

Also, a few more things:

Quote from: Leafsnail on February 22, 2014, 12:33:52 am

YES, LEAFSNAIL. I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO UTTERLY IMPLICATE HOW LYING IS THE NQT BY QUOTING, LINKING AND POSTING IT DOWN.
Because you never did so. You were nebulous, spurious and infactual--generally putting statements without a focused point, and offhandedly commenting the whole blasted day.

I would like FACTUAL proof from you. BACKED UP by statements of your own concern. STRIKE THROUGH those which do not apply.

Because I'd love to see you right. But you aren't working for it.

There is something to be said against Leafsnail here - he randomly claimed that that specific item was censored and no others were and then used it as "evidence"  - but it's not actually about anything you keep saying. Rather than attacking the argument, you attack the way it is presented. What is causing your irrational attack on Leafsnail?

Quote from: Tiruin on February 23, 2014, 09:10:29 pm

How shallow this poke is. So what if I 'defend' him? You gonna help me dig mah hole?

Now you're arguing that defending someone who has more against him than the guy you want lynched is just fine. I'll ask it again, since you still haven't given a reason: Why are you defending RangerCado?

Quote from: Tiruin on February 23, 2014, 09:10:29 pm

I am...disappointed.[/url] Meta on Toaster? He does the usual 'reaction post' when he has nothing to go on. He flails, then passive aggressively pokes. I had given you time, Toast-buddy. Time to look back and reflect. Reflect on your thoughts and deeds.

Evidence for this please? Not that I doubt that something similar happened, but I want to see the actual comments to see how it actually was.

Quote from: Tiruin on February 23, 2014, 09:10:29 pm

Guess what peeps? We lynch an 'Evil' person who is NOT a meteor summoner and it gets us this: If he ain't a MS, then some of the non-evils are the MS. Given how TDS' connections in his posts (can't find the word that says I'M RELATED TO YOU) with Leafsnail--in lieu of 'evil'--are connected, Why do you not pursue the nebulous lead? We can trust Cado, yet I am under the paranoia that he has something up his sleeve.

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See above - It makes sense to lynch RangerCado first if we think that being a Summoner means scum, even if Leafsnail is somewhat suspicious. Also, why do you trust Cado? I'd guess that he was simply confused by not knowing what his wincon was and the Summoner team had him test things by revealing himself. He has been open about his role and alignment, but so have most people here (including the other Evil people). What is it that lets you trust RangerCado so much? Right now, I'd vote for you if I wasn't already voting for Ranger, Tiruin.

Quote from: Tiruin on February 23, 2014, 09:10:29 pm

Item = [[It's rude to go through people's things so no one really knows what she had.]]

How malevolent is that?
OOOOoooooo
Why don't we 'disarm' the situation by playing the Generalist! IT'S EVIL HENCE IT IS HIDDEN!

Let's see. Can you explain this 'no apparent reason' that exists?

This is literally the only valid point you have, and it's something that needs more evidence to make a claim - Leafsnail could have insider knowledge, or he could just be mistaken on the nature of the game. However, you've been doing the "obsessively trying to get Leafsnail lynched/refusing to let the discussion focus on RangerCado" for a LONG time before that. You arguments are barely rational anymore, and you seem to be getting desperate as we get closer to getting RangerCado lynched.

Everyone Else: Read what I said about lynching Cado before anyone else. I really want to see what Mastahcheese gets from Tiruin tonight, since I don't think she's on the same side as us at all.

*claps a lot*

I didn't see much of this one, but what I saw was interesting.

Apparently, my ability went away with my item. I am no longer able to kill at night.

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Quote from: Leafsnail on February 22, 2014, 12:33:52 am

By "hidden information" I mean his item.  That was censored for no apparent reason.  That, to me, suggests that there is something sinister about the item - if it were innocent it could just flip with him like the rest of his role.  It may have been the thing that told him his actual win condition, and thus gave him the impetus to spout bullshit.

I actually have a sneaking suspicion that the identity of the item the person is holding is never revealed upon death. I think we'll find this out tonight.

Yeah, I don't think that it's likely that only one item gets censored.

Also, are things going to change between today and Monday? The discussion has slowed down a lot today, partly because we've figured some things out, but also because yesterday was about 60 pages long and there just isn't much to say until something happens.