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Sorry Mates... Some real world duty keeps me out from the my home computer, My ISP was down, damn you third world communication operators... But now I thankfully can do some major post again...

MAJOR UPDATE
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ARLaN Chief:
"Sir let me brief you about our Research status. Currently we had 30 university and private research laboratories networks, with research capacity equal to 6.000 RP per year. After we researched the last techs we didn't had anything to do. It will tremendously useful if you can give some research priorities guidelines, lest some lab assistant and grad students will start synthesizing some useless magic mushroom crystals using govt money.
Oh yeah, here are the document. Sorry for the coffee stain, I kinda forget that these papers are not tissue.
List of previously researched techs:

Tech that we can research right now:

Allied Nations had 30 top world scientist in various field that were employed as Chief Researcher in 6 major TransNewtonian Field:



Head of ASA:
"Sir, we had 2 currently idle Ground Force Training Facilities. We can retrain our old pre-TN Infantries into 2 type of TN Battalions:
Engineer Brigade : ATT 0, DEF 5. Size: 25. Training Cost: $150M, 37,5 Duranium, Neutronium 112,5. Training Time: 1 year 6 Month. 1 Year 2 months 12 days if trained from existing pre-TN Infantry Division.
Garrison Battaion : ATT 0, DEF 10. Size: 5. Training COst: $60M, 15 Duanium, 45 Neutronium. Training time: 7 months 12 days. 2 months 12 days if trained from existing pre-TN Infantry Division.
We also can also train Millitia that can act as Replacement for our Ground Forces. ATT: 0. Def: 0.5. Size: 5. Training Cost: $40M. 10 Duranium, 30 Neutronium. Training time: 2 months 12 days.
What should we do sir? We can train additional Engineer for Mars Ruins Exporation Project, or we can train additional Garisson for defense purpose."

Allied State Secretary:
"Sir currently we can organize our officers to command specialized team. An Espionage team to gather intelligence of other state, a dedicated diplomatic team to mend our relations with other nations, a gesurvey team to locate additional TransNewtonian deposit and Xenoarcheology team that had been trained extensively in various Archeology and Linguistics to decipher whatever ruins that we can found on Mars or Venus.
Here are the candidates that can be assigned to Espionage team: (ingame mechanics: steal various tech blueprints, starmaps, others. Metagame mechanics: Give you general army intel, ship positions and others)

Please note that: Captain Donovan Birdsley currently not available as he is the Fighter Opeation Officer of Allied Central Fleet Command (ACFC) Task Force HQ.

Here are the candidates that can be assigned to Diplomatic team: (ingame mechanics: Make the other empire more nice to you, Metagame mechanics: allow you to make and formalize treaties with the Reich, UNACs, and other SM (me) controlled Race)

Please note that: Captain Christelle Conrad our Public Relations Officer of ACMC HQ, and Captain Andrew Keleher are Logistic Officer of ACFC HQ.

Here are the candidates that can be assigned to Survey team:

Please note that Rear Admiral Carlton Mantermach is the Commander of ACFC HQ. Flag Captain is the Survey Operations Officer on ACFC HQ. Flag Captain Rhonda Beidlemen is the Intelligence Ops Officer in ACFC HQ.

Here are the candidates that can be assigned to Xenoarcheology team:

Surprised sir? Since the scientists found those ruins back in 1980s a lot of us started to study Xenoarcheology hoped to go to Mars or Venus so it is not a strange thing a lot of our officers seems very fond with Alien Civilizations.
Please note that: Captain Valerie Langlois is the Operations Officer at ACFC HQ. Captain Donovan Birdsey is The Fighter Ops. at ACFC HQ.
It is also should be noted that Dr. Manfryd Koch personally asked permission to participate on Xenoarcheological Exploration on Mars.
Sir, please choose the most appropriate officers so we can start creating the team and organized the needed human resources to the teams."

ADC Head:
"Sir I suggested to send our Espionage and Diplomatic Team to Reich to gather intels and start throwing political rhetoric, so we can make sure Reich keep their grubby hand on Venus and stay away from Mars. Also we need to send our xenos team to Mars as soon as we ready before the Reich think we didn't interested on Mars. Right now we still discussing a new treaty with Reich about the Venus-Mars claim, so we need specialized Diplomatic Team."

Allied State Secretary:
"Sir, as the Allied Nations territories are so vast, we also need to appoint Head Administrator of Earth to help us administrate and enforcing our multinational policies. There also empty positions for Head Administrator of Moon, and Colonial Governor of Mars Territories, although these positions currently only served as ceremonial positions since we didn't had real colonies on Moon and Mars. I attached the relevant Civilian Administrator (CA) that can be appointed.
Please note that Earth need CA with rating at least 5. Both Moon and Mars can go with CA rating 1.

We suggest Mr. Rez to be appointed by the Directorate as Head Administrator of Earth, as he is the only one CA with ratings above 5 that had mining expertise, that we currently needed. While anyone can be appointed as HA for Luna and Mars CG to train their administrative skills."


"Sir this is our current economy report. We currently had 80.000M Dollar in reserve. Our current population gives 20$ per person each year so we estimated to get $ 42.000M in tax income this year. We shouldn't worried about spending for some time."


"I also want to report about our Altken Lunar Research Base in Farside Lunar South Pole. We got 5 prototype automine working and a small Deep Space Telescope Observatory (symbolized ingame as DSTS) with 2.000 staffs reside in base that supported by 2500 ton life support infrastructures (2 Inf). As per Moon Treaty, Reich also had similar base around Peary Crater on Lunar North Pole, UNAC also show announce their intention to establish underground lunar colony before 2010 on Lava Tubes around Mare Serenitatis. We currently had 125.000 ton various infrastructure (100 Inf) on Earth that can be transported to moon to expand the Lunar Base into a small domed town around Shackleton Crater or Shoemaker Crater.


Head of ASA:
"Sir, this is the report regarding our Allied Central Fleet Command Task Force Headquarters. Currently commanded by Rear Admiral Carlton Manternach, veteran of Third Arab War. His current staff Officer as follows:
Captain Valerie Langois as the head of Fleet Operations, Flag Captain Rhonda Beidlerman as head of Fleet Intelligence, Fag Captain Rory Belvin as head of Fleet Communications, Flag Captain Rosa Heidkamp as head of Fleet Survey, Captain Christelle Conrad as the head of Fleer Public Affairs and Spokesperson, Captain Andrew keleher that lead Fleet Logistics and Captain Donovan Birdsey as the head of Fighter Operations. Currently ACFC HQ are located on Cape Canaveral Spaceport in Earth."

INCOMING TRANSMISSION FROM CAPE CANAVERAL ACMC HQ:
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"Sir this is Rosa Heidkamp of ACFC Survey Operations. As requested by Allied State Secretary regarding planetary geosurvey results. Here is our solar system data summaries:
Here are the data about the Inner System Survey that was conducted last year:
We didn't find anything useful on Deimos and Phobos. The Allied Survey and Astrography Bureau (ASAB) suggest we started surveying the Outer Planets System and the Inner Asteroid Belt as soon as its convenience."
TRANSMISSION ENDED.

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Tomorrow Hopefully Update: Known Reich Ships Design (the Reich like to show off), Known UNAC military capabilities and ship design (UNAC had small shuttle crafts), and the Two China situation. Also some background treaties: Treaty of Tianjin (1974), Lunar Treaty (1986), Outer Space Treaty (2000), Earth Sphere Nuclear Free Agreement (2002), and the new proposed treaty to answer the Venus-Mars Questions.

Hmm.  Never got far in FFVI myself, but I'd love to watch somebody else do it for me
Since my translation named the two guys in the intro Wedge and Biggs, I named my party members after Star Wars characters.  Terra was Leia, of course.

Wow... Terra was Leia? What next? Locke was Han Solo? Old English Speaker Cyan was Yoda?

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DISCLAIMER: Any resemblance to real people is purely incidental. Please don't cease and desist this LP...
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1 January 2004.
00.00 AM ACT (Atlantic Central Time).
1 km underground somewhere in AREA SE-733 Mid-Western United States.
Central Secret Office of Allied Directorate.

Head of ASA:
"Good night gentlemen, first we want congratulate you for your sudden recent promotions to the Directorate. As you know several days ago all members of the previous Directorate was killed when the Shuttle Freedom that carrying them explode on Low Earth Orbit atop Europe after failed atmospheric reentry. We still don't know whether this is a pure accidents or a result of foul play. We see that the Assembly still not elected new leaders for ANFA and ANMoT. Still it can't be helped. As emergency protocol, ANEA will take the ANMoT duty, and ANSEC will take ANFA duty. This is only temporary measure of course until the Assembly assign new head for ANFA and ANMoT.
Oh I forgot my courtesy, let me formally introduce myself. My name is George River, Head of Allied Security Agency, your Military Adviser. I will keep you update with the latest military related information. And yes sir, my subordinates think my face resemble some Hollywood movie star. Believe me sir, that just coincidence. Now, let me introduce the rest of Advisory Board members, sir."
Allied State Secretary:
"My name is Park Eun-Jae, Sir. Allied State Secretary. I am your Economy, Industry and Colonial Adviser. Seems too much? Well, I'll give you latest economy and industry report and any relevant domestic news and you sir give directions so I can pass it to relevant departments. It is always a honor working with the Directorates."
ARLaN Chief:
"Hmm... My name is Jacques Gerrade, Chief of Allied Research Laboratories Network, I'm the Science Adviser or so what they say, I don't give a damn. Still it is my job to give you gentlemen the latest update about our latest invention and latest technological breakthrough through latest available means of communication. I hope you didn't ended like our latest Directorate boss..."
ADC Head:
"My name John Howard, the Head of Allied Diplomatic Corps, sir. I'll be your Diplomatic and Foreign Relation Adviser. I'll give you any relevant foreign news and any major update about Reich and other nation. You can count on me sir, they can't move an arm or legs without my knowing."


Allied State Secretary:
"Sir, please read our latest Colony report per 1 January 2004. As you can see we didn't had any new production task yet since the late ANSA head died. We had currently 1/4 way in converting the Conventional Industries in TN-tech Installations. Our factories currently had annual production output rate equivalent with 8.000 CP, while the Ordnance and Fighter Factories each had annual production output rate equivalent with 750 CP. Our fuel refineries can refine 5.000.000 litre Liquefied Sorium Fuel. I need new production direction from you sir. Especially what installation that we must build. I suggest we continue our CI conversion to TN-based Industries and building couple of new Shipyards to expand our influence on space.
I attached a document to show what kind of installation we can build right now."
ASA Head:
"Sir, since we now had Ordnance and Fighter factories we can produce missiles and small crafts. But we need new missile design and fighters."

Allied State Secretary:
"Sir, this is our current mining production and presumed minera reserve and accesbility, as you can see there are very low Corundium level on Earth, if we need more Corundium we can buy it from East China or the UNAC. But I suggest we find other corundium deposit outside Earth. We also need to find new source of Mercassium and Tritanium before it run out. Hopefully there will be enough deposit in Sol Systems."
The mineral general function and properties:

ASA HEad:
"I'll take it from here Ms. Park. Sir, this is our Shipyard status. At this moment we had 4 shipyard complex. Two are equipped with equipments to construct military grade ships, while the other two are more geared to build civilian crewed ships.
Sir currently, we need direction and instruction about which ship and how many that we must construct and what shipyard retooled to what ship class or if the ANSEC think we need more slipyard. To do so Sir, we need your approved ship blueprints before we can construct anything.
(The normal idle Shipyard task if no instruction given to me is Continual Capacity Expansion)
Our Ground Army had 30 Divisions of Conventional Armed Infantry (1st LTI Division until 30th LTI Division), 20 Divisions of Conventional Armoured Fighting Vehicles (41th LTA Division until 60th LTA Division), 2 Engineer Regiment (61th to 62th ENG Regiment) equipped with Gauss Carbine, and 8 Garrison Geared Battalion (63rd-70th GAR Battalion) wielding Heavy Gauss Machinecannon, and lastly 2 Volunteer Militia Battallion that ready to battle if needed by Army.
On Earth we had 50 old ICBM Missile Complexes. Here are the Missile Complex data sir.
Missile Complex class ICBM Launch Base    13,900 tons     212 Crew     366.4 BP      TCS 278  TH 0  EM 0
Armour 5-51     Sensors 1/0     Damage Control Rating 0     PPV 240
Magazine 240   

ICBM Silo (10)    Missile Size 24    Rate of Fire 43200
ICBM Launch Control (1)     Range 50k km    Resolution 50
Conventional ICBM (10)  Speed: 10 km/s   End: 16.7m    Range: 0.1m km   WH: 6    Size: 24    TH: 0 / 0 / 0

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

This design is classed as a Planetary Defence Centre and can be pre-fabricated in 6 sections "40 of our Missile Complexes are still equipped with 400 60KTon Tactical Nuclear Warhead ICBM. While 10 of them (Codename: Missile Compex 001-010) are equipped with 100 brand new TN-tech GDPB-001 Peacekeeper MIRV that designed to overwhelm enemy defenses with missile saturation. Here are the quick missile overview"
GDPB-001 Peacekeeper MIRV
Missile Size: 24 MSP  (1.2 HS)     Warhead: 0    Armour: 0     Manoeuvre Rating: 10
Speed: 6100 km/s    Endurance: 2 minutes   Range: 0.7m km
Cost Per Missile: 10.6717
Second Stage: FDPN 001A Peacekeeper MIRV Warhead x18
Second Stage Separation Range: 100,000 km
Overall Endurance: 3 minutes   Overall Range: 1.6m km
Chance to Hit: 1k km/s 61%   3k km/s 20%   5k km/s 12.2%   10k km/s 6.1%FDPN 001A Peacekeeper MIRV Warhead
Missile Size: 1 MSP  (0.05 HS)     Warhead: 1    Armour: 0     Manoeuvre Rating: 10
Speed: 12400 km/s    Endurance: 1 minutes   Range: 0.9m km
Cost Per Missile: 0.4563
Chance to Hit: 1k km/s 124%   3k km/s 40%   5k km/s 24.8%   10k km/s 12.4%"Each Peacekeeper Warhead had 10KTon Nuclear Explosion. One Peacekeeper MIRV thus had 180kTon damage potential, 3 times more powerful than conventional ICBM and more cost effective (ICBM: 5; MIRV: 10.68). We still have 100 ICBM and 50 more MIRV on storage."

NEXT UPDATE:
Research, Teams, and Allied Intelligence status of Reich, West China, East China and UNAC domestic data and military capabilities. Also your In-game character show-off...

YOU CAN SUBMIT YOUR SHIP DESIGN and THE SHIP COMPONENTS, it is a great opportunity for those who still new to test their skills and knowedge. If nobody submit ship design. I'll design some of the ships (in-game: civilian corporation compete to got government contract) and you can act as a govt committee.

ANSEC, ANEA, and ANSA can now make their own program... ANFA and ANMot position still opened...

Let's make our Missile Designation System:
ALLIED NATION MISSILE DESIGNATION PROPOSAL 1:
"Launch Platform"-"Sensor Capabilities"-"Missile Target"-"Missile Type" "Designation Numbers" "Designation Name"
Launch Platform:
F: Bus-Based (Mine or Drone)
G: Ground-Based (PDC)
S: VoidShips
X: Unknown (for enemy missile)

Sensor Capabilities:
D: Dumb Missile (no sensor)
G: GeoSurvey Sensor
R: GravSurvey Sensor
A: Active Sensor
E: EM Sensor
T: Thermal Sensor
C: Sensor Combo/Mixed Sensor
X: Unknown (for enemy missile)

Target:
P: Planet or other stationary space bodies. (for Anti-Planet Missile)
M: Missile (for Anti-Missile Missile)
H: VoidShip (for Anti-Ship Missile)

Type:
N: Normal Missile.
B: Bus-type Missile or Drone (moving).
I: Mine-type Missile.
Y: Unarmed Buoy or Sensor Missile.

Designation Number: X1-X2X3
X1: Nations Identifier. 0: Allied, 1: Reich, 2: UNAC, 3: China State, 4: Hypothetical Alien.
X2X3: Missile Identifier

So GDPB 001 Peacekeeper MIRV means: Ground-launched, no sensor missile, that target planet, and was a Bus (carrying another missiles).

Polling result:

What kind of beam weapon that you want to started the game with? (it will be instantly researched)
Laser. (Long range, damage drops off with range, cuts through armour)
 4 (23.5%)
Railguns. (4 slugs per shot, damage spread across armour, nice for Point Defense)
 2 (11.8%)
Particle Gun. (Fixed damage weapon)
 1 (5.9%)
Plasma Carronades. (Bigger Calliber, Crazy Damage)
 8 (47.1%)
Screw beam weapons. I want Mobile Infantry!
 2 (11.8%)

By majority vote, the Allied will get free Plasma Carronade techs, any objection?

Anyway about Mars and Venus question we got (we still got a lot of time until the game start, think carefully)
Mars   : 3
Venus : 2

Oh and when I generate the Ruins I got Deserted Intact City (means more than 1500 alien installations to dig about) for both of planet. But I don't know which ruins had better tech level.

Let our game begin!

Our game named: Allies & Reich.
Starting Year: 2004
NPR difficuty: 125%
NPR generation chance: 50%
Construction Cycle Time: 86400 second or 1 day.
Precursor and Star Swarm features are on. Invader will be turned on when the year reach 2019 or if there are 5 NPR spawned whichever reached first.
All default feature are turned on.

I'l update again after finishing preparing the factions (I had cleaned the East and West China, now to Micro Reich, UNAC, and Allies)

What about Engines?
What is our tech status on those?

We start at the bottom of Engine Tech: Nuclear Thermal Engine,
with no Fuel Efficiency, Power vs Efficiency, HyperDrive nor Thermal Reduction researched. But Fighter and FAC engine already researched. (To emulate what Steve say will be in 6.00 version, you can always decrease or increase engine size - it change fuel consumption)

Don't forget to read the game rules and check your officer status (tell me if something is not right):
Game Rules

What we already Researched?

BIOLOGY:
None Researched

CONTRUCTION / PRODUCTION
Trans-Newtonian Technology

DEFENSIVE SYSTEMS:
Duranium Armor

ENERGY WEAPONS:
10mm Meson Focal Size
10mm Microwave Focal Size
Meson Focusing Technology 1
Microwave Focusing Technology 1
Turret Tracking Speed (10% Gear) 2000 km/s
(PLUS complete LASER, PLASMA CARRONADE, PARTICLE BEAM basic techs if you chose to start with that beam weapons)

LOGISTIC / GROUND COMBAT:
Cargo Handling System.
Cryogenic Transport.
Troop Transport Bay.
Engineer Battalion.
Garrison Battalion.
Replacement Battalion.
(and get free Mobile Infantry Battalion if you choose to start with that tech)

MISSILES / KINETIC WEAPON:
Boat Bay
Gauss Cannon Launch Velocity 1
Gauss Cannon Rate of Fire 1
Magazine Feed System Efficiency 75%
Magazine Ejection Systems - 70% Chance
(You automatically get only get Railgun basic Tech if you choose to start with Railgun)

POWER / PROPULSION
Nuclear Thermal Engine Technology
Nuclear Thermal Missile Drive: 1.25 per MSP
Pressurized Water Reactor

SENSOR AND FIRE CONTROL
Active Grav Sensor Strength 10
Beam Fire Control range 10.000 km.
EM Sensor Sensitivity 6
Fire Control Speed Rating 2000 km/s
Geological Survey Sensor
Thermal Sensor Sensitivity 6

That should include everything....

24 40cm Railguns? That means 96 slugs per shots.. Those buggers will never know what hit'em... But I wonder what their rate of fire is... Is it 1 shot per 5 seconds? To see it fire at once, that very much sir was an awesome sight...

Also will it be using a real star or random generated one?

ok, I just can't play this. I'm too dumb, or too weak to endure the endless turns when nothing happens.

tried cheating, tried conventional, tried with spoilers, tried without. it is just... that this seems a great storytelling device, if you manually set up the right conditions, but it rarely if seldom generates those interesting situations by itself.

fun just never comes to fruition. I'll wait 6.0 and give another try, given that it will have a better management interface and hopefully more design options

in the meanwhile, I'll need some space combat fix: any other 4x game that have detailed ship design and combat where ship doesn't just have a 'health bar' and can actually survive long engagements (I can set for something like star ruler, but I'm also looking new stuff, specially because star ruler doesn't work on mac)

That's why I found it more compelling to play with others. Aurora started as an assistant to Starfire Tabletop Game after all.
When I play singe payer game, I'm always set NPR generation rate as high as 100% to ensure I had someone to play with although the AI was pretty much easy to guess. In my last single player game, The New United Nation of Earth and Mars (NUNEM) was facing enemy that was much more faster, much more bigger, and had bigger guns. The Earth and Mars desperately producing ships, missiles, fighters (suicidal one, no more hangar capable ships), and PDCs to keep the enemy from entering entering Sol. But it was a losing batte. In 2039, 14 years after human start exploring the stars (conventional start), the enemy jumped into Sol. Only 3 ~30.000-ton sized Cruiser. But it decimated the stationed picket fleets. Destroy mining colonies across Jupiter's moons. (Saturn was spared, thank God!). Picking CMCs between Jupiter and Mars (how the he can they detect those CMC? it was only EM 5 for Xenu sake.) Mars destroyed several months after fired with numerous Plasma Torpedoes. The Earth try to strike them with all nuclear missile arsenal that the Earth had, but it only killing one. Crippled (but not disabled) the other one. It was a desperate move. Although I keep producing and firing missiles as fast as I can, it changed nothing. My industry capabilities are decimated, mass drivers are gone, I got gallicite and duranium shortage, it was over. Finally Earth was fallen one year later.
That's why boys and girls, NEVER jump into strange star before your ready.

Only Mining Colony at Titan survived. I was losing epicly. It is not in nature of human to surrender easily so I SM-ing some Construction Factories on Titan. The Human Union of Titan will avenge their fallen comrade on Earth and Mars! As the Titan only had 4m people that reside on Orbital Habitats, no ships except OH-tugships. I SM-ing that Pop into 100m (the peope are breeding like rabbits? no, it is extra-uterus birth), I assuming the date are now 2140 (even when the game still display it as 2040), 100 years after the Fall of Earth. I Fast-OOB the new generation engine ship. And armed them with very extra long drone carrying missile that shoot smaller missiles to overwhelm the enemy by sheer missile numbers. Only one problem remains. How can I direct those ships while keeping the Titan colony existance hidden. And that the whole stories so far.

You see, Aurora had potential to create epic stories, just keep trying, keep looking, and keep imagining things even when it didn't exist...

For those interested:

Make me a Naval Officer, Give me a ship, and let us show to those weak aliens what kind of ass kicking Fatherland can serve them under NUCLEAR TIPPED MISSILE!!!!

ALL HEIL FUHRER *insert name here*