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Sure, let's end that tangent. Just wanted to say that - while messy - there is an internationally accepted classification.

Anyway - protesters on Maidan threaten to storm the parliament if the president doesn't resign until Saturday 10 o'clock.

I think the wings are opposite in the US and other parts of the world.

Well, some of the symbols and rhetoric in this video are what Neo-Nazis here are using and saying. I think fascism/nazism is universally accepted as right-wing.

I tried to watch this (German?) movie called The Wall and I thought I would get to see some sweet supernatural / magical Wall action, heck no, it's

That's an Austrian movie. The lead actress appears a lot in German movies and TV though. Mostly in crap.
Yeah, European movies often have a much much smaller budget than American ones. So a lot of it is really cheesy stupid crap. Or very intellectual, potentially on the more pretentious side of things. Also not a lot of genre movies. There are a lot of interesting filmmakers though, like Michael Haneke, Lars von Trier or Gaspar Noe. Seen some very good movies in recent years, but it's a matter of taste probably.

That's the standard rule for movies. American version cuts the nudity, European version cuts the violence, Japanese version has everything plus 20min of extra tentacle gore.

Well, there were some justice reforms planned as part of the Association treaty. Don't believe those were executed though.

One thing is clear, Ukraine is at the verge of economic collapse and bankruptcy. EU financial help will be coupled with reform requirements, maybe that will bring the association treaty back to the table. Russian financial help was free, but it remains to be seen how relations with Russia develop, though they have welcomed the compromise.

There's something about Yanukovych that reminds me of Gordon Brown.

Trees hate Gordon Brown too?

First of all it depends on how the population accepts the deal. Radical forces are not happy at all with it.

Then it depends on how the government behaves, if they try to backpaddle or anything.

Elections are still far away, the country must make it that far first.

Basically everything that was achieved now would have been good in November, but now people want to see Yanukovych gone.

Apparently the Right Sector has announced that they will continue demonstrations. The people on Maidan seem to remain calm though.

It is good that European Politicans want no war in my country. But I am afraid that they are ready to tolerate unacceptable things to ensure peace

Well, if we're being cynical, the most important short-term interest for the EU is not to get overrun by refugees in case of a civil war, which would probably happen with Poland, Slovakia, Hungary and Romania all bordering Ukraine. These countries seem to have been pushing for a more coherent approach by the EU and Poland has taken a leading position in the negotiations.

In terms of unacceptable things...it seems like there is some urgency to find a solution before it all breaks down. Some things might be the price to end the bloodshed. Other things might still get done later. There are voices in the EU too who want to see Yanukovych in court. Tymoshenko got jailed after her term as Prime Minister too, so why not Yanukovych? (if he doesn't flee of course)

It's not that clear, but it looks like the opposition might agree to the compromise. Maybe there have been changes, initially the elections were proposed for next winter, which is obviously way too late for the protesters. It hasn't been signed yet, but looks like it will.

The Russian mediator doesn't want to sign the agreement either. Also there is some sabre-rattling over Crimea now, which means that a break-up of the country should better be prevented sooner than later.

Also the Vice-Chief of the army has resigned to prevent escalation. And there are more rumors about regime people leaving the country, protesters even try to contol access to the airports now, to see who's running off with his money.

EDIT:
Seems like the Maidan council has accepted the terms.
Terms are:
- coalition government in 10 days, with participation of the opposition
- return to 2004 constitution in 48 hours, constitutional reform until September
- presidential elections until December

I've read earlier that parliament is also debating amnesty, no idea if that's part of the deal.

Difficult to say at the moment. Could be a sign that the regime is expected to collapse. Central authority is definitely weakened by regions declaring or threatening to declare autonomy. Also the parliament is acting on its own, with reportedly 238 of 450 MPs present.

I'm not sure I get the image.

Flights appear to be sent back to Ukraine. Perhaps because of visa sanctions? These shouldn't be enacted yet though.
Not really sure if I get it either.