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Return it? If it didn't say that you required steam to play on the box then that's a valid reason to return it for a refund.

It takes a hundred metal to plop down. That's one weapon or a medium-sized ammo crate. That makes deploying, destroying, and building new ones a cinch. Throw one down to nip a spy after it tries to backstab things. Stick it in a corner to surprise a lone scout. Use it as a diversion. Sure, maybe it is an immobile pistol shooting at stuff, but half the time, people are running around with less than half health anyways. Don't need a level three sentry to clean one of them up.

Bear in mind I haven't tried one of these out for myself, so my high opinion of mini-sentries may be skewed.

I've played with one trust me 90% of the time you're better off building a level 1 just round the corner then moving it forward. Plus it only costs 30 more metal which means you have to build 3 before seeking out something bigger than a medium ammo crate to build the next one and if it turns out you have the time it's possible to upgrade and/or repair it.

Also double damage. Really the gunslinger should drop double health same damage level 1's that can't be repaired. Then it might be useful

Also people are forgetting the luggage, even if it isn't officially in the match it will break in eat the referees and then laugh at batman trying in vain to destroy it before eating him.

Yeh pretty much, I was kind of shocked to hear my uni friends discussing who to vote on based on nothing more than looks. Even worse when they then berate me for not voting.

I actually found that after the update I couldn't do anything for all the demospam on both teams. I guess at some point before I joined they had the engy spam then everyone went demo to counter it and never switched back.

EDIT:: Ok, I'm less trying to poke holes in your logic (which makes sense), and more trying to point out that is doesn't apply.

This seems to be getting somewhere, now to point out how you invoked the fallacy:

Leaving now would be spitting in the face of every person that has died in this war. The families of dead soilders have said that they want the military to stay, so their sons and fathers haven't died in vain. And if we stay, and fix this, they won't have.

You are saying here we should stay in because people died.

Leaving now and having no one else die would be wasting the lives of all the people that have died. Staying, and having hundereds more die would be spending those lives

And here again, this is nice because you specifically differentiate between leaving as wasting and staying as spending those lives that have already gone.

So if you accept that it's a fallacy you really can't argue that you didn't invoke it.

Quote from: Jreengus on July 09, 2010, 01:36:54 pm

I wouldn't leave the item lying around I would throw it away. If my house has a huge whole in the roof and I spend money trying to fix it then realise that it would be cheaper to stop wasting money fixing it and buy a new house I will do that. Also you're getting off on a tangent here, just throwing up more and more ridiculous unrelated things because you've assumed I'm advocating pulling out when I was simply trying to point out how you were using a logical fallacy to support staying in.

I'm not going off on a tangent, I'm arguing against your "logic" with examples that I'm trying to use to put into perspective. And as for the buying a new house, where are you going to get the money for a new house? You already have all your money sunk into the one you have, and I doubt that there's any hole in any roof that would be more expensive then buying  new house. I really doubt that you would buy a new house even if that ws the case though.

All of my examples are me trying to give you a good perspective, your house or object is something you live in or care about, a country fits both definitions.

EDIT:: So basicly what you're saying is lining up a million people then shooting them in the head and not bothering to go into the middle east would be the same as what we're doing now? Logicly speaking of course.

If the hole in my roof doesn't cost more to continue fixing then buying a new house then your example has nothing to do with anything I said. You're examples are almost all situations completely unrelated to the logical fallacy I was trying to point out, they all involve me doing something for it's own sake. The logical fallacy is about doing things because you already invested in it. Repairing a hole in my roof isn't me thinking "Well I really don't want to repair this hole but I already spent a few thousand on it so I should continue to do so." It's me thinking "There's a hole in my roof getting me wet and destroying my things and lowering the value of my house, I should fix it as soon as possible."

Anyhow, my last post on the matter because it's impossible to argue with someone who seems to be discussing something completely different from me.

I wouldn't leave the item lying around I would throw it away. If my house has a huge whole in the roof and I spend money trying to fix it then realise that it would be cheaper to stop wasting money fixing it and buy a new house I will do that. Also you're getting off on a tangent here, just throwing up more and more ridiculous unrelated things because you've assumed I'm advocating pulling out when I was simply trying to point out how you were using a logical fallacy to support staying in.