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Quote from: Jreengus on July 09, 2010, 12:40:12 pm

Firstly terrible terrible question to ask me of all people, my dad died of cancer about 3 years ago now and I honestly didn't give a shit. Yes I'm seriously screwed up.

Secondly you're falling right into the fallacy once again. Now try to understand this: Those people are dead. All those people with dead parents who want their deaths to mean anything are advocating the death of further fathers.

I'm really having trouble trying to phrase this. I'm not the most eloquent poster on the forums, but please go back look at your post and tell me how it isn't falling right into the fallacy. most notably:

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Leaving now and having no one else die would be wasting the lives of all the people that have died. Staying, and having hundereds more die would be spending those lives to save the lives of thousands of people yet to come.

Those people are dead, you can't waste their lives. You can waste the lives of those still living by telling them they have to die because someone else died.

First, instead of your dad let's say it's your mom, brother, sister, uncle, cousin, aunt, cat I don't care. But it should be something you care about.

Second, I'm going to play along with your "Fallacy". Let's say you have this really nice car/house/deck/pool, let's call it "the middle east". Let's say some guy comes and seriously screwes up "the middle east". Now your pissed off, you really liked "the middle east", so you spend one million dollars which we will refer to as "lives" trying to fix the "the middle east". Unfortunetly for you, that isn't enough "lives" to fix "the middle east", but fortunetly you have enough "lives" to get "the middle east" fixed. So what do you do? Leave "the middle east" in a very fucked up state, or spend some more "lives" and fix "the middle east". Of course you're going to spend more "lives", you want "the middle east" fixed don't you? It's not like you don't have the "lives."

If you have no problem thinking of lives in the same way as money, you should understand and agree with what I'm saying.

On a side note, the one million dollar figure is the approximate number of soilders that have died fighing in this war.

Also, andrea, the father example works for everyone not concived via test tube. Can you imagine your father dieing and what that would do to you? Then the example works.

I'd like to think if a soldier has died, it was their intent, and not specifically the result, that would give them merit. Throwing other people into the grinder, including the enemy, shouldn't add merit to someone who has already died. Remember the enemy is fighting for their perceived just cause too, they aren't just some faceless, chaotic evil mooks, they are the same as our soldiers.

Either way, whether you side with the elves or the werewolves, you don't get to *have* werewolves join your army. Thats all I bloody wanted. Unless I did something wrong, I only played the game once, and even then I could only stand half of it.