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Sorry, DP.

Encountered something interesting.

Spoiler: 1.6 Pacifist Sector 4 spoilers (click to show/hide)

Okay, does Iji refuse to contact the Komato in other versions of the game besides 1.6 during a pacifist run?

Nope before 1.6 she just did it.

I really dislike the whole reflections don't count as kills thing, it feels like cheating and make pacifist waaay too easy

Quote from: Akura on June 30, 2010, 04:32:55 pm

Quote from: Diablous on June 30, 2010, 04:09:15 pm

Just checked. Kills by reflecting missiles with the Resonance Reflector don't count against me. :3

Really? It's supposed to. According to the description for the Reflector, it modifies what you reflect to work as if you fired it yourself(in practice, it uses your Attack skill), so it would make more sense if the kills count.

Spoiler: Things that DON'T count as kills (click to show/hide)

 

• Mechanical enemies, like turrets, and a certain boss.
• Enemies killed by their own heavy weapons backfiring after you crack them.
• The unlucky bastard killed by a certain item in a certain level. YOU NEED TO USE THIS ITEM PROPERLY IN THAT LEVEL TO GET A ZERO KILL GAME.
• Kamato Assassins(except for one), because you never actually kill them, they run away.
• Enemies killed by someone else, including certain bosses(even if you get blamed for it).
• Enemies who kill themselves, including certain bosses.

Spoiler: What DOES count as a kill (click to show/hide)

 

• Obviously, anyone killed directly by your weapons(including splash damage) or kicks.
• Probably, kill-cracking Tasen Scouts and Soldiers, as well as already-damaged enemies who take damage when cracked(they lose 50% health, so if they have less than that...)
• Enemies you play the "Hyper Turret Game" with.
• Failing to use the certain item in the above spoiler properly. Incidentally, Iji goes batshit insane from that.
• Not 100% about this, but cracking a Shredder while there's still a Soldier on it. If you need a ride, kick them off their bike. Bonus points if they're trying to run you over with it when you do that.

 

I've been reflecting blasts left and right, and they haven't counted. I guess as far as the game is concerned, they shot themselves in the face. Also,

Spoiler: DON'T CLICK UNLESS YOU FINISHED SECTOR 8! (click to show/hide)

I have to save Dan to get a 0 kill game? Not using the trap mine at all contributes to kill count?

Quote from: Phmcw on June 29, 2010, 09:41:14 am

This whole discussion is insane.
What happen when you ban gun? Well, less death by gunwound.

All gun bans do is make owning a gun illegal. If a criminal is committing a crime, why not also bring a gun anyway?

I find this argument annoying, I'm not saying I agree with Phmcw's post but if you're going to commit a crime why not rape someone anyway? After all you're already committing a crime, it's not like adding extra crimes on top will in anyway be worse for you if you're caught. Hell you might as well kidnap and kill them too.

Criminals break crimes by definition, but they don't break all crimes. Just those that pay off in a risk/benefit analysis and in a country where guns are illegal they don't need guns to do the majority of crimes because they aren't likely to get shot, so why risk carrying one? Now I'm not saying they wont use other weapons or use guns in some cases but the argument of "Criminals break laws therefore they will all carry guns anyway." is flawed.

Quote from: Jreengus on June 28, 2010, 06:27:35 am

Quote from: Kogan Loloklam on June 27, 2010, 11:53:44 pm

Let's view the other angle. BP stands for "BRITISH petroleum". They have no requirement to be anywhere near the US. I don't know how people here feel, but I knew exactly what my previous employer had in connection to BP.

No it doesn't, they changed their name from British Petroleum to BP. BP doesn't stand for anything.

That's a seriously weak argument. They're the same f**king company. Just because they changed their name doesn't change the fact that their main HQ is in Westminster, that their CEO and most of their board are British and that they are the direct corporate descendant of the Anglo-Persian Oil Company.

A better argument is that despite their name and pedigree, they're a huge multinational zaibatsu, not a national oil industry. And I'm all for putting the "execute" in "executive". Once you've stolen/damaged/etc >$1 billion, your life should be forfeit. Pull Bernie Madoff out of storage, drop him and Hayward both into the middle of an oil patch and light that puppy up.

Seriously...we live in a society where somebody stealing a lawn mower gets hit with more severe penalties than these guys. That's not going to change until we make a few (preferably messy) examples.

You misunderstand I wasn't saying that it made any difference, merely pointing out a common misconception.

I thought he was a cannon.

sigh, what is this ?


do I have to shoot someone again ?

You don't have to, but please do.

Also after reading this thread I scanned the first two pages for the thread mentioned and couldn't see it. Later I actually saw the thread in question, I think my brain subliminally blocked it to prevent the sheer horror that it was bound to contain based on the title.

Well I read one version, then I read wikipedia's explanation to discover why it was supposed to be funny or have any humour value whatsoever. I honestly don't even understand it, the punchline just seems to be a complete non sequitur.